so the european union is banning menthol cigarettes

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:00:26 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:58:39 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good, it's time we stop giving ourselves cancer. While I understand the whole "it's my body so I can do whatever I want," you have to think of your family. Your family doesn't want to lose you any sooner than they have to.
Also consider the millions upon millions of cigarette butts that get washed out to the ocean because people toss them out their car windows or while they're walking down the street.

"Think of your family, man" isn't a legitimate reason to illegalize something. Neither is "some people who use this product choose to litter".

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:00:31 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:59:23 PM

Sounds like you don't love your family. Okay then.

I don't love my family because I won't be coerced?

Yeah, fuck you. Moron.

Verbatim · March 12, 2015, 05:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:55:48 PM

I just think it's odd that someone smart like you does something stupid like smoke.

too many """intelligent""" people that i know do stupid shit all the time
whether it be smoking, drinking, trying to justify smoking/drinking, considering having children, etc. etc.

this is why it's silly to put people on pedestals
meta's human

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:01:19 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 12, 2015, 05:00:35 PM

meta's human

So they tell me.

Verbatim · March 12, 2015, 05:01:49 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 12, 2015, 05:01:19 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 12, 2015, 05:00:35 PM
meta's human
So they tell me.

i'm telling you

now you KNOW you are

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 12, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

ban cars.

i wouldn't be so opposed to that, honestly

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:02:09 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 12, 2015, 05:00:35 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:55:48 PM
I just think it's odd that someone smart like you does something stupid like smoke.
too many """intelligent""" people that i know do stupid shit all the time
whether it be smoking, drinking, trying to justify smoking/drinking, considering having children, etc. etc.

this is why it's silly to put people on pedestals
meta's human

I'd rather just live my life than be a moron by some nineteen year old's standards.

Mad Max · March 12, 2015, 05:02:14 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:00:26 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good, it's time we stop giving ourselves cancer. While I understand the whole "it's my body so I can do whatever I want," you have to think of your family. Your family doesn't want to lose you any sooner than they have to.
Also consider the millions upon millions of cigarette butts that get washed out to the ocean because people toss them out their car windows or while they're walking down the street.
"Think of your family, man" isn't a legitimate reason to illegalize something. Neither is "some people who use this product choose to litter".

But it's not just "some people" it's a fuckton of people.

CK97 · March 12, 2015, 05:03:00 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:00:26 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good, it's time we stop giving ourselves cancer. While I understand the whole "it's my body so I can do whatever I want," you have to think of your family. Your family doesn't want to lose you any sooner than they have to.
Also consider the millions upon millions of cigarette butts that get washed out to the ocean because people toss them out their car windows or while they're walking down the street.
"Think of your family, man" isn't a legitimate reason to illegalize something. Neither is "some people who use this product choose to litter".

I wasn't saying that it's a good reason to make it illegal, I was saying that it's a good reason to not do life threatening things (smoking) to yourself.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 12, 2015, 05:00:31 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:59:23 PM
Sounds like you don't love your family. Okay then.
I don't love my family because I won't be coerced?

Yeah, fuck you. Moron.

lol mad cuz rekt

Also, that's not what I said. But hey, believe what you want.

Mattie G Indahouse · March 12, 2015, 05:04:41 PM

Oh the humanity. Now I have to find something else to waste money on that's bad for me and the people around me.

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:04:47 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:02:14 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 04:56:08 PM
Good, it's time we stop giving ourselves cancer. While I understand the whole "it's my body so I can do whatever I want," you have to think of your family. Your family doesn't want to lose you any sooner than they have to.
Also consider the millions upon millions of cigarette butts that get washed out to the ocean because people toss them out their car windows or while they're walking down the street.
"Think of your family, man" isn't a legitimate reason to illegalize something. Neither is "some people who use this product choose to litter".
But it's not just "some people" it's a fuckton of people.

So? Buying cigarettes doesn't mean that you're going to litter them. Increase the penalty and enforcement of littering butts, sure. But making the product itself illegal is ridiculous. You know what's another big littering problem? Soda cans. Should we illegalize that, too?

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:04:48 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:02:14 PM

But it's not just "some people" it's a fuckton of people.

And how much more dangerous do you think the tobacco industry would be if driven underground, out of the remit of state regulation? Taxing cigarettes at ridiculous rates is bad enough, but flat-out banning a specific product is asking for trouble in one form or another.

I mean, come on. The plastic can holders, plastic bags, drugs, needles, bottles--a fuck tonne of things are dumped into the ocean.

If you catch somebody doing it, fine the shit out of them. Don't preclude somebody like me from my vices merely because a lot of people are idiots.

Verbatim · March 12, 2015, 05:06:27 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:02:09 PM

I'd rather just live my life than be a moron by some nineteen year old's standards.

i suspect my opinion will not change within the next forty years

so would it make any difference to if you were deemed a moron by a sixty-year-old's standards?

no
it wouldn't

so i'm not sure what my age has to do with it

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:07:03 PM

Quote from: CK97 on March 12, 2015, 05:03:00 PM

Also, that's not what I said. But hey, believe what you want.

I said families are socially horizontal and ought to be non-coercive, and I said fuck my family if they want to be coercive.

At which point you said I must not love my family.

Whatever point you were making was poorly worded. The only other option I have is thinking you said people who smoke don't love their families, which is even more retarded so I'm kind of doing you a favour and offering you an out here.

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:07:05 PM

Quote from: BerzerkCommando on March 12, 2015, 05:04:41 PM

Oh the humanity. Now I have to find something else to waste money on that's bad for me and the people around me.

It's fucking unethical to illegalize doing something to your own body. This isn't just about cigarettes, it's about the fact that the government has no right to impose any laws against doing something to yourself.

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:07:40 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 12, 2015, 05:06:27 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:02:09 PM
I'd rather just live my life than be a moron by some nineteen year old's standards.
i suspect my opinion will not change within the next forty years

so would it make any difference to you were a moron by a sixty-year-old's standards?

no
it wouldn't

so i'm not sure what my age has to do with it

Age has nothing to do with it. I was just describing you.

Verbatim · March 12, 2015, 05:09:42 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:07:40 PM

Age has nothing to do with it. I was just describing you.

do you just enjoy inflating your posts with irrelevant information, or

Sandtrap · March 12, 2015, 05:09:52 PM

Well, there's always good old fashioned human enginuity.

Prisoners aren't allowed weapons, or anything that could be turned into a weapon in maximum secruity prisons.

Oh but hey, they still do.

Crimanals aren't allowed certain types of guns but fuck, there they are anyway.

Be a criminal Meta.

Get off your ass and make your own fucking minty cigarretes if you care so much about them. Be a minty cigarrete drug lord.

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:10:48 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 12, 2015, 05:09:52 PM

Be a minty cigarrete drug lord.

I'll be the next Walter White.

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 12, 2015, 05:09:42 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on March 12, 2015, 05:07:40 PM
Age has nothing to do with it. I was just describing you.
do you just enjoy inflating your posts with irrelevant information, or

Eh, you like doing it, too. What with your word a day calendar posts

lol

Sandtrap · March 12, 2015, 05:17:23 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 12, 2015, 05:10:48 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 12, 2015, 05:09:52 PM
Be a minty cigarrete drug lord.
I'll be the next Walter White.

Right. We got this. I'm heading off to be the Canadian equivalant, you're heading off to be the European version. But I feel like we're missing somthing.

Mad Max · March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

CK97 · March 12, 2015, 05:21:23 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

Some say that it's stress relieving, but even then, there are plenty of healthier ways to relieve stress.

Dopameme · March 12, 2015, 05:22:12 PM

why would you smoke stoges when there's dank weed?

SecondClass · March 12, 2015, 05:22:45 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

Refer to my post about the hypothetical bleach cigarettes. It doesn't matter whatsoever how bad something is for you. You still have every right to ingest it, smoke it, inject it, whatever. It's your own body, and you have a human right to fuck it up however you want, as long as it doesn't affect others. And for that reason, I wouldn't object to an outright ban on public smoking. But to prohibit someone from buying a pack of cigarettes, going into their own home, and smoking them privately, is ludicrous.

More Than Mortal · March 12, 2015, 05:22:46 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

Teens are more likely to start smoking. So are people with family and friends who smoke.

I qualify for all three, so the statistics are against me. But I'm an impulsive person as it stands, nonetheless. I do understand your incredulity, however.

Sandtrap · March 12, 2015, 05:23:43 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

Please. We all know the younger generations don't give a shit. It's the "cool kids" routine deal. "I'm growing older so I can do this now!" kind of deal.

And of course, it's rebellion since kids growing up always have that detachment phase. Rather then rebel constructively they do it stupidly.

There is no upside in reality. But to the mind of a highschooler, reality is skewed anyway.

Mordo · March 12, 2015, 05:25:14 PM

Anti choice ppl pls go

Mordo · March 12, 2015, 05:32:21 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.

I'm pretty sure 99% of smokers are aware that smoking is detrimental to their health, but they still do it anyway. Not to mention that state regulation only encourages a black market to open up, as has been repeated throughout history time and time again. The prohibition period and the War On Drugs can attest to that.

Honestly Max, for someone who's a proponent of Marijuana legalisation, I'm pretty surprised you're in support of this.

BrenMan 94 · March 12, 2015, 05:42:41 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 12, 2015, 05:32:21 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.
I'm pretty sure 99% of smokers are aware that smoking is detrimental to their health, but they still do it anyway. Not to mention that state regulation only encourages a black market to open up, as has been repeated throughout history time and time again. The prohibition period and the War On Drugs can attest to that.

Honestly Max, for someone who's a proponent of Marijuana legalisation, I'm pretty surprised you're in support of this.

A black market for cigarettes can't really be compared to one for other substances because you can't just grow cigarettes in your back yard.

Not advocating banning them. Just saying.

Mad Max · March 12, 2015, 05:44:08 PM

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 12, 2015, 05:32:21 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on March 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
I guess I'm just surprised that anyone in this day and age starts smoking.

I understand people who got hooked before we knew how bad it was, but now? There's no reason to start smoking. It's terrible for you and expensive. I don't see the up side to starting smoking.
I'm pretty sure 99% of smokers are aware that smoking is detrimental to their health, but they still do it anyway. Not to mention that state regulation only encourages a black market to open up, as has been repeated throughout history time and time again. The prohibition period and the War On Drugs can attest to that.

Honestly Max, for someone who's a proponent of Marijuana legalisation, I'm pretty surprised you're in support of this.

I'm not going to stop someone from smoking, but I just don't understand why someone would start.