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maybe it's just because this is the first day of my three days off, maybe it's just the DXM weed or kratom, maybe I'm just dreaming rn

but yeah I actually don't hate my job, it's pretty fun and I get to connect with tons of people


 
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i don't even want to enjoy a job, as that would qualify as a sign of early onset dementia
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i don't even want to enjoy a job, as that would qualify as a sign of early onset dementia
I dont get this weird thing you have against jobs

it's a productive way to spend time and go out into the world


 
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i don't even want to enjoy a job, as that would qualify as a sign of early onset dementia
I dont get this weird thing you have against jobs

it's a productive way to spend time and go out into the world
yes, i love knowing that i live in a world where you HAVE to indenture yourself to some slave labor in order to be considered "productive," and it's absolutely not okay to be unproductive—it's absolutely not okay for you to just do whatever the fuck you want to do with your own life

i just love shaving off 30 to 40 hours of my week working at some literal shithole so i can deal with belligerent, retarded customers and apathetic lackadaisical coworkers every single day of my life

all to get a piddly paycheck with which i can hardly survive if i wanted to live alone, and even if i could, it only means that i get to buy food, feed myself, and wake up the next day knowing i get to do it ALL over again day after day after day and this is your fucking life now

wow that's so awesome that's just the american dream right there


 
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you're doing work a machine could be doing WOW that is just so productive

your insurmountable contributions to society will be hailed among the most significant fucking shit ever


 
 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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i don't even want to enjoy a job, as that would qualify as a sign of early onset dementia
I dont get this weird thing you have against jobs

it's a productive way to spend time and go out into the world
yes, i love knowing that i live in a world where you HAVE to indenture yourself to some slave labor in order to be considered "productive," and it's absolutely not okay to be unproductive—it's absolutely not okay for you to just do whatever the fuck you want to do with your own life

i just love shaving off 30 to 40 hours of my week working at some literal shithole so i can deal with belligerent, retarded customers and apathetic lackadaisical coworkers every single day of my life

all to get a piddly paycheck with which i can hardly survive if i wanted to live alone, and even if i could, it only means that i get to buy food, feed myself, and wake up the next day knowing i get to do it ALL over again day after day after day and this is your fucking life now

wow that's so awesome that's just the american dream right there
what you're describing is the problem with existence in general

but living in the system and accepting it, with all of its rewards and drawbacks, isn't hell. It's nice, and I feel better for a change

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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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you're doing work a machine could be doing WOW that is just so productive

your insurmountable contributions to society will be hailed among the most significant fucking shit ever
A machine couldn't do my job lol, maybe a robot.

I take orders, prepare orders, stock, sweep, mop, degrease the broiler/fryer, do dishes, take out the trash, clean bathrooms, and anything else that needs to be done. It's not rocket science, but it definitely takes a human to be so versatile and efficient

and all that aside, you're missing the point. I feel good after a shift, I get social time in during one too. It's just good for you to maintain a steady job/base I think
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There's jobs that you might find more compelling and worthwhile though. There's also some things you can't realistically do without it being a job.
i really wish the first statement were true, but i'm afraid it just isn't

if there really was something out there for me, do you not think i would have found it by now?

though, to be fair, what i'm basically struggling with is my mentality

even if i found the perfect job, i would still find a way to piss and bitch and moan about it, because i have such a perverted sense of self-fulfillment that being miserable almost gives me a perverse sense of satisfaction, just knowing that i was "right" all along, because i made myself right—that's just kinda the way i am, i literally feed off of my own negativity

you could say i just have a mental issue, which would be fair, but i also like to think that i have my reasons for being this way

jobs beget responsibilities, responsibilities beget mental burdens, mental burdens beget stress, stress begets misery

it's not to say that i can't handle a little bit of stress—it's the slow-burning cumulative effect of all the stressors in concatenation that makes them all the more soul-crushing, and it doesn't really matter what kind of job it is, because that's going to apply to pretty much all of them

obviously, none of this stuff is an issue for people who are pre-ordained to be responsible, itinerant, hardworking, normal people, but i'm just not one of those people—i have the potential to be a hard worker, but unless i'm actually passionate about something, i will go out of my way to put in the minimum effort, or i just won't do it at all

i also struggle with finding a sense of purpose—my philosophy on existentialism aside, it all really just seems like a fruitless struggle to me

on the offchance that i find an enjoyable place to work—that's still time that i could be spending doing shit that i actually want to do, which is sit around, sleep, consume art, make my own art, all while trying to be as little of a burden on the rest of society as possible as i live alone in the quiet, being a spectator, contributing nothing to a world i never asked to be part of in the first place

but what i think sounds reasonable is way too much to ask, so that doesn't give me a whole lot of options as far as my own happiness and personal comfort goes

i firmly believe that not everybody is cut out for work, and not everybody should have to work if they're so disinclined to do so—so the very idea that a person like me can exist in a world so incongruent with my values is a sick joke, and one that hasn't been funny in five years

i could go on but you're not my therapist, i'm just trying to get you see things from my pov for a moment
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Are you saying that you have no passions you could turn into a career?


 
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Are you saying that you have no passions you could turn into a career?
none, zero

the passions i have are passions i wouldn't want to turn into a career, because i'd want them to stay pure and genuine forever—they're the only things i have, so throwing money into the equation would soil that in myriad ways

when i finish my book, anyone who wants to read it may do so, and when the time comes, maybe i'll just set up a patreon for anyone who's interested in supporting me, if anyone, and if nobody does, then nobody does

once you start naming prices, people start expecting things of you, until suddenly, what was once one of your greatest passions is now a massive burden on your shoulders

i've thought about streaming on twitch, too, but the same principle applies—i would have to consign myself to playing games i dislike, because i wouldn't want to ruin any of my favorite games

you could say that i'm fucked six ways to sunday

the best thing i can come up with is becoming one of those youtube ranters (as if there aren't already enough of those) but gaining a following would be extremely difficult because i'm neither agreeable nor personable enough

i'm also the kind of person who gets extremely discouraged whenever i see good content on youtube, because it just shows how much work it's actually going to end up being

perhaps the bottom line is that i just need to find a way to teach myself how to "enjoy" work

but how
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what you're describing is the problem with existence in general

but living in the system and accepting it, with all of its rewards and drawbacks, isn't hell. It's nice, and I feel better for a change

it's no 1984 here
i'm elated for you

also sorry, i didn't mean to make this thread about me

just having one of those days
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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
I'm just trying to get you see things from my pov for a moment

You sound like you're in the same position as my mum - working a dead-end minimum wage job (so in the US I assume that's like well below a living wage...) because an artist hasn't a lot of market to sell or job desirability in the area.

I do wonder about that. It's not like all artists (creative writing, painting, photography, or otherwise) just deserve money thrown at them for making something because the need/want for them isn't always there, but then shit like paintbrushes, canvasses, cameras and film rolls, etc don't come free. It does irk me that some artists get famous for something ridiculous like selling 9 pints of his own blood frozen into the shape of his head and then can live off the success of that whilst other artists can do nothing but work their whole lives for no acclaim, or even money.

Seems like creatives would greatly benefit from something like Universal Basic Income, so then a job (if they choose to have one) is just doing something else for your extra spare time outside of writing/painting/whatever, and some extra cash on top of what you can already live off of.

(Getting therapy's always a bonus, too)


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I'm just trying to get you see things from my pov for a moment

You sound like you're in the same position as my mum - working a dead-end minimum wage job (so in the US I assume that's like well below a living wage...) because an artist hasn't a lot of market to sell or job desirability in the area.

I do wonder about that. It's not like all artists (creative writing, painting, photography, or otherwise) just deserve money thrown at them for making something because the need/want for them isn't always there, but then shit like paintbrushes, canvasses, cameras and film rolls, etc don't come free. It does irk me that some artists get famous for something ridiculous like selling 9 pints of his own blood frozen into the shape of his head and then can live off the success of that whilst other artists can do nothing but work their whole lives for no acclaim, or even money.

Seems like creatives would greatly benefit from something like Universal Basic Income, so then a job (if they choose to have one) is just doing something else for your extra spare time outside of writing/painting/whatever, and some extra cash on top of what you can already live off of.

(Getting therapy's always a bonus, too)
This is one of the things Jordan Peterson talks about that resonates with me very much. Art is essential for society to flourish, and truly creative people are those that would just wither away and die if they weren't able to pursue their creativity. However, society has always been very harsh towards creative types and it's traditionally been very difficult for them to monetize their creativity even simply to the point of just earning a basic living and not struggling. Indeed, the idea that an artist must struggle to even be a true artist is something that has been entrenched in the world of art for a long time. Many famous artists even died broke and miserable and never received any significant recognition until after their deaths.

It's a problem that needs to be solved, and I have hopes that it can be with the advent of technology and the internet. We live in a world now where niche creative types are able to connect with others that share their passions, and platforms like Patreon and MakerSupport give artists more options to earn something for what they create.


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The three days off in a row is dank. I have that same kind of schedule. I'm glad you're liking your new job :)


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There's jobs that you might find more compelling and worthwhile though. There's also some things you can't realistically do without it being a job.
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i really wish the first statement were true, but i'm afraid it just isn't

if there really was something out there for me, do you not think i would have found it by now?

though, to be fair, what i'm basically struggling with is my mentality

even if i found the perfect job, i would still find a way to piss and bitch and moan about it, because i have such a perverted sense of self-fulfillment that being miserable almost gives me a perverse sense of satisfaction, just knowing that i was "right" all along, because i made myself right—that's just kinda the way i am, i literally feed off of my own negativity

you could say i just have a mental issue, which would be fair, but i also like to think that i have my reasons for being this way

jobs beget responsibilities, responsibilities beget mental burdens, mental burdens beget stress, stress begets misery

it's not to say that i can't handle a little bit of stress—it's the slow-burning cumulative effect of all the stressors in concatenation that makes them all the more soul-crushing, and it doesn't really matter what kind of job it is, because that's going to apply to pretty much all of them

obviously, none of this stuff is an issue for people who are pre-ordained to be responsible, itinerant, hardworking, normal people, but i'm just not one of those people—i have the potential to be a hard worker, but unless i'm actually passionate about something, i will go out of my way to put in the minimum effort, or i just won't do it at all

i also struggle with finding a sense of purpose—my philosophy on existentialism aside, it all really just seems like a fruitless struggle to me

on the offchance that i find an enjoyable place to work—that's still time that i could be spending doing shit that i actually want to do, which is sit around, sleep, consume art, make my own art, all while trying to be as little of a burden on the rest of society as possible as i live alone in the quiet, being a spectator, contributing nothing to a world i never asked to be part of in the first place

but what i think sounds reasonable is way too much to ask, so that doesn't give me a whole lot of options as far as my own happiness and personal comfort goes

i firmly believe that not everybody is cut out for work, and not everybody should have to work if they're so disinclined to do so—so the very idea that a person like me can exist in a world so incongruent with my values is a sick joke, and one that hasn't been funny in five years

i could go on but you're not my therapist, i'm just trying to get you see things from my pov for a moment
By any chance, do you feel shit for doing completely nothing for a long amount of time? Like you even wanted to make something done, like learn something useful, but you don`t have any drift for it and more time passes and you feel more and more shit for not progressing anywhere, and there is no drift.
           
           And at one moment you think "let`s play some videogames, because at least I'm progressing in it" but after launch you just feel so shit, because you play a game, while you could have something done and then after an half hour you close it and...
           
           "There is no drift for doing anything". You start to think about various things how to fix it, might be that you start to pick up some hobbies that look cool, but after doing it yourself you just don`t have a drift for it. Then next thing you start to think is "maybe I need to change my viewpoint. Well, my death is inevitable and there is no point to do anything. But even if I was immortal, even if I save my mind, my memories, myself through all those cycling, is there any point to do something?" And the answer is the same.

           Just saying.


 
 
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Just to use myself as an example, I have enormous amounts of freedom at my job and the money I make is far from piddly. I don't work at a shithole but a modern facility tied to a university that's packed with hundreds of years of history. I don't deal with any customers at all but instead work with very motivated professionals and academics I work only on interesting projects of my own choosing and get to do something different all the time. None of the things you made out to be negative about a job are present in mine and there's no reason you couldn't land something similar.
you say that, but you haven't given me any reason to believe it

no offense, but i'm not terribly interested in your experiences in the workplace, because they're not mine—i conceded in that post that i'm just of a different disposition than most people, including you, so telling me how awesome having a job is when you've NEVER had to file 200+ applications for menial jobs you never wanted, but ones you're still pressured into getting, because you HAVE to get a job, and not having a job makes you a failure at life, etc.

only to get rejected again and again and again and again and again and again and again, and THEN, the first job you ever actually land winds up confirming each and every one of your biggest fears of being employed?

you don't have this experience—you could say it's an experience that you're sheltered from—so for you to sit there and tell me how great everything actually is, and how narrow-minded i am, when i've physically waded through the shit for years, only comes across to me as extremely glib

look—i'm really happy that you love your job, that's awesome, i envy you

you had to do a lot of work to get the job you have, though, and that's an amount of work that i would psychologically torturous and ultimately not worth it—like i said, some people just aren't cut out for work, and i think i'm one of them

some people will never be happy having any kind of job, i don't think this is a controversial statement

my two skills, and i only have two, are not marketable—we don't need more authors. we definitely don't need more artists. but that's literally all i have to offer.

i've looked into numerous other subjects, and they all just seem like varying flavors of hell to me—the "don't knock it til you try it" philosophy doesn't really work when this is my life that i'm talking about

that's kinda like when anime fans tell you to keep watching a series you KNOW you're not gonna like, "because it gets good later"—like, that's basically what you're doing here
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Also, you didn't really address the second point I made. Jobs can let you do things you otherwise wouldn't be able to. They can provide you with resources, opportunities and access to things that you on your own couldn't really have.
there is only one resource that i want access to that i don't currently have now: time, and i really couldn't care less about anything else

jobs tend to suck your time away, not give more of it to you
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As you said yourself, you might want to try and enjoy stuff a bit more.
i was being a little half-hearted when i said that

the thing is, it doesn't actually work like that at all

it's kinda like saying "why be depressed when you could just be happy instead"

i suspect the ease and speed at which you were able to get the first job you ever applied for has honestly blinded you to some of the harsher realities of life, in that not everybody has had it as good as you, and america's job market is trash, on top of everything else that i've cited

bottom line, not everybody is capable of getting a robust career at a law firm or what have you

some people are doomed to be wage slaves, that's just the reality that i see, because they just don't have what it takes to be anything more than that

and they have every right to be pissed and unhappy about it, too—though for me, it IS getting unhealthy, because i do struggle to enjoy almost anything about life anymore, but i still think the notion that there's a career out there for everybody is just patent quixotic bullshit


 
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There's jobs that you might find more compelling and worthwhile though. There's also some things you can't realistically do without it being a job.
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i really wish the first statement were true, but i'm afraid it just isn't

if there really was something out there for me, do you not think i would have found it by now?

though, to be fair, what i'm basically struggling with is my mentality

even if i found the perfect job, i would still find a way to piss and bitch and moan about it, because i have such a perverted sense of self-fulfillment that being miserable almost gives me a perverse sense of satisfaction, just knowing that i was "right" all along, because i made myself right—that's just kinda the way i am, i literally feed off of my own negativity

you could say i just have a mental issue, which would be fair, but i also like to think that i have my reasons for being this way

jobs beget responsibilities, responsibilities beget mental burdens, mental burdens beget stress, stress begets misery

it's not to say that i can't handle a little bit of stress—it's the slow-burning cumulative effect of all the stressors in concatenation that makes them all the more soul-crushing, and it doesn't really matter what kind of job it is, because that's going to apply to pretty much all of them

obviously, none of this stuff is an issue for people who are pre-ordained to be responsible, itinerant, hardworking, normal people, but i'm just not one of those people—i have the potential to be a hard worker, but unless i'm actually passionate about something, i will go out of my way to put in the minimum effort, or i just won't do it at all

i also struggle with finding a sense of purpose—my philosophy on existentialism aside, it all really just seems like a fruitless struggle to me

on the offchance that i find an enjoyable place to work—that's still time that i could be spending doing shit that i actually want to do, which is sit around, sleep, consume art, make my own art, all while trying to be as little of a burden on the rest of society as possible as i live alone in the quiet, being a spectator, contributing nothing to a world i never asked to be part of in the first place

but what i think sounds reasonable is way too much to ask, so that doesn't give me a whole lot of options as far as my own happiness and personal comfort goes

i firmly believe that not everybody is cut out for work, and not everybody should have to work if they're so disinclined to do so—so the very idea that a person like me can exist in a world so incongruent with my values is a sick joke, and one that hasn't been funny in five years

i could go on but you're not my therapist, i'm just trying to get you see things from my pov for a moment
By any chance, do you feel shit for doing completely nothing for a long amount of time? Like you even wanted to make something done, like learn something useful, but you don`t have any drift for it and more time passes and you feel more and more shit for not progressing anywhere, and there is no drift.
           
           And at one moment you think "let`s play some videogames, because at least I'm progressing in it" but after launch you just feel so shit, because you play a game, while you could have something done and then after an half hour you close it and...
           
           "There is no drift for doing anything". You start to think about various things how to fix it, might be that you start to pick up some hobbies that look cool, but after doing it yourself you just don`t have a drift for it. Then next thing you start to think is "maybe I need to change my viewpoint. Well, my death is inevitable and there is no point to do anything. But even if I was immortal, even if I save my mind, my memories, myself through all those cycling, is there any point to do something?" And the answer is the same.

           Just saying.
pretty spot-on


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Good to hear fam. Plus you get a certain satisfaction when you help people out or go the extra mile to make someones day.

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admit it

i'm the only reason you continue posting here too


 
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