Is horse / dog racing, animal abuse?

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 20, 2020, 02:59:37 PM

The way I see it is, if an animal cannot consent to some activity they are involved in - its borderline abuse and most likely cruel.

Races - yeah, cruel.
Circus - abuse and cruel. Captivity and forced to do things through fear.
Zoo - hard to say. Animals just chill but they are in captivity. I'm not sure about this one.

What do you think?

Aether · February 20, 2020, 03:03:29 PM

Are you a vegan?

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 20, 2020, 03:03:50 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 20, 2020, 03:03:29 PM

Are you a vegan?

Does it matter?

MarKhan · February 20, 2020, 03:07:31 PM

Out of all things you listed zoo is the most harmful one, because in zoo animals quite often die from cancer due to lack of exercise and changing environment.

Aether · February 20, 2020, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on February 20, 2020, 03:03:50 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 20, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
Are you a vegan?
Does it matter?

Well animals don't consent to being slaughtered for food so I'm asking you.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 20, 2020, 03:11:45 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 20, 2020, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on February 20, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: Aether on February 20, 2020, 03:03:29 PM
Are you a vegan?
Does it matter?
Well animals don't consent to being slaughtered for food so I'm asking you.

I asked you first.

Spoiler

But no, I'm not a vegan.

DAS B00T x2 · February 20, 2020, 05:37:21 PM

the culture surrounding the breeding of racing animals is a little suspect, but racing itself isn't abuse unless an owner s trying to race an injured horse or doping it or something.

Ingy · February 20, 2020, 05:45:50 PM

Well my dog doesn't consent to me giving her baths but I still do it anyway

Verbatim · February 21, 2020, 01:17:34 AM

yeah, of course

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 21, 2020, 08:09:50 AM

Quote from: Ingy on February 20, 2020, 05:45:50 PM

Well my dog doesn't consent to me giving her baths but I still do it anyway

You are obviously caring for your pet its not even in the same ball-park as forcing an animal run for human entertainment and monetary gain.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · February 21, 2020, 09:26:48 AM

The racing itself isn't the problem, it's that racing falls under the whole "pure standard breed" umbrella of fucked up things. When somebody decides to participate in dog racing (as a viewer or owner), by extension they're contributing to an abusive field.

Most racing dogs are specifically bred to *want* to run. Greyhounds, as a standout example. Greyhounds are also very sad, anxiety-ridden animals that shouldn't be bred anymore.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 22, 2020, 06:18:33 AM

Quote from: Aria on February 21, 2020, 09:26:48 AM

The racing itself isn't the problem, it's that racing falls under the whole "pure standard breed" umbrella of fucked up things. When somebody decides to participate in dog racing (as a viewer or owner), by extension they're contributing to an abusive field.

Most racing dogs are specifically bred to *want* to run. Greyhounds, as a standout example. Greyhounds are also very sad, anxiety-ridden animals that shouldn't be bred anymore.

Still Seems like they are creating a problem. We got these races going on, but we need faster animals. So they go ahead and breed faster and faster dogs.
No races, no breeding. Also stop buying pugs FFS. They need to die off for their own sake.

Verbatim · February 22, 2020, 06:34:44 AM

little by little, you are all starting to sound more like me

all according to plan

DAS B00T x2 · February 22, 2020, 10:02:15 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 22, 2020, 06:34:44 AM

little by little, you are all starting to sound more like me

all according to plan

I will never concede that Trent's Hurt is a better song.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · February 22, 2020, 10:31:00 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on February 22, 2020, 06:18:33 AM

Also stop buying pugs FFS. They need to die off for their own sake.

Stop buying purebreds, period. Intentionally limiting genetic diversity for ~`《a e s t h e t i c》'~ is horribly stupid and horribly awful. It leads to so many health and quality of life issues that it should straight up be considered animal abuse.

February 23, 2020, 05:44:17 AM

February 24, 2020, 12:45:50 AM

To even train an animal to obey a command is on some level a form of abuse due to pack mentality. It's more evident in dogs due to their heritage from wolves. In this case, the alpha is simply a human being who has proven themselves to be the dog's master. You don't achieve that status without being harsh in some fashion. I think it counts as abuse when it's taken a step further for profit or entertainment. So, yes.

Ásgeirr · February 25, 2020, 07:43:03 AM

Quote from: E on February 24, 2020, 12:45:50 AM

To even train an animal to obey a command is on some level a form of abuse due to pack mentality. It's more evident in dogs due to their heritage from wolves. In this case, the alpha is simply a human being who has proven themselves to be the dog's master. You don't achieve that status without being harsh in some fashion. I think it counts as abuse when it's taken a step further for profit or entertainment. So, yes.

good, good

Spoiler

Ingy · February 25, 2020, 08:46:55 AM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on February 25, 2020, 07:43:03 AM

Quote from: E on February 24, 2020, 12:45:50 AM
To even train an animal to obey a command is on some level a form of abuse due to pack mentality. It's more evident in dogs due to their heritage from wolves. In this case, the alpha is simply a human being who has proven themselves to be the dog's master. You don't achieve that status without being harsh in some fashion. I think it counts as abuse when it's taken a step further for profit or entertainment. So, yes.
good, good
Spoiler

Lovecraft then proceeded to name his cat Nigger Man
What an absolute mad lad

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Aether · February 26, 2020, 10:48:20 AM

Quote from: Joan_of_Boat on February 25, 2020, 07:49:26 PM

Horses are more eco-friendly than cars because they don't emit fossil fuels.

If your vehicle is emitting the fuel then you need to see a mechanic.

FatherlyNick - fuck putin · February 26, 2020, 12:05:57 PM

Quote from: Aether on February 26, 2020, 10:48:20 AM

Quote from: Joan_of_Boat on February 25, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
Horses are more eco-friendly than cars because they don't emit fossil fuels.
If your vehicle is emitting the fuel then you need to see a mechanic.

He needs to see the patent office.

Boy you are driving a gold mine!

DAS B00T x2 · February 26, 2020, 12:22:46 PM

Quote from: Joan_of_Boat on February 25, 2020, 07:49:26 PM

Horses are more eco-friendly than cars because they don't emit fossil fuels.

the horse becomes the fossil foil tho

February 27, 2020, 07:19:54 PM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on February 25, 2020, 07:43:03 AM

Quote from: E on February 24, 2020, 12:45:50 AM
To even train an animal to obey a command is on some level a form of abuse due to pack mentality. It's more evident in dogs due to their heritage from wolves. In this case, the alpha is simply a human being who has proven themselves to be the dog's master. You don't achieve that status without being harsh in some fashion. I think it counts as abuse when it's taken a step further for profit or entertainment. So, yes.
good, good
Spoiler

If I'm being frank here, lovecraft sounds like a pretentious prick in that quotation. If I'm wrong, it's too bad he's not around to explain why I've known plenty of dogs that'll pester you to play fetch on their own accord or just look at you like a stump on some days when they don't feel like playing anything. Unless the only viable explanation is that lovecraft only ever met dumb dogs in his life.

Verbatim · February 28, 2020, 12:12:34 AM

Quote from: E on February 27, 2020, 07:19:54 PM

If I'm being frank here, lovecraft sounds like a pretentious prick in that quotation. If I'm wrong, it's too bad he's not around to explain why I've known plenty of dogs that'll pester you to play fetch on their own accord or just look at you like a stump on some days when they don't feel like playing anything. Unless the only viable explanation is that lovecraft only ever met dumb dogs in his life.

i think it's funny (as someone who generally hate dogs, too)

but i mean, lovecraft also named his cat "Nigger Man," so there's that

March 02, 2020, 01:58:09 AM

Maybe he just liked offending people and their sensabilities then. It'd go hand in hand with his ability to write cosmic horror.

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Is horse / dog racing, animal abuse?

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