Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:46:57 PM

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Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM

And nobody was going to miss him

Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.

The dead are not alive to feel remorse for their death, meaning your action doesn't cause much suffering. If there are mourners, your action caused a great amount of suffering.

You're retarded.

Who cares? Your life is yours, and nonexistence is worse than anyone feeling bad for you. The idea that we have to depend on others for meaning is so annoying.

the lack of a family to mourn the victims death frees the killer from thoughts of guilt
i have no idea what you're going on about

Honestly if I was dropped into a situation where I was told to kill somebody with no family, no friends, nobody, I sure as fuck wouldn't be abstained from guilt.

Imagine it. Going up to someone, who went through what you could say was arguably a pretty shitty life because they never had anybody, and then you kill them.

They went through all of that through their life, to just to be put down?

That's not guilt free at all. That's fucking depressing.

Have you ever met people with no friends to speak of or any family? Anybody that likes them? Those sort of people bring out so much pity.

I suppose that's a matter of perspective.
Hopefully I could kill the person inexplicably and without them even noticing before they're already gone, I'd rather not think about their last thoughts.

I don't think too much about what their potential is or what their goals were, those were truly only relevant to themselves and now that they're gone there is no one to be sad over them not being fulfilled. If anything though, the person would likely go on to continue living a mediocre life. They may not have agreed with it, but in the end I saved them a lot of burden and effort that naturally comes with life. But that's just my two cents.

I'd rather kill a hobo than a guy with a wife and kids


But i wouldn't kill anyone

Quote from: Sandtrap on July 05, 2015, 02:51:42 PM

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Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 02:41:27 PM

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM

And nobody was going to miss him

Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.

The dead are not alive to feel remorse for their death, meaning your action doesn't cause much suffering. If there are mourners, your action caused a great amount of suffering.

You're retarded.

Who cares? Your life is yours, and nonexistence is worse than anyone feeling bad for you. The idea that we have to depend on others for meaning is so annoying.

the lack of a family to mourn the victims death frees the killer from thoughts of guilt
i have no idea what you're going on about

Honestly if I was dropped into a situation where I was told to kill somebody with no family, no friends, nobody, I sure as fuck wouldn't be abstained from guilt.

Imagine it. Going up to someone, who went through what you could say was arguably a pretty shitty life because they never had anybody, and then you kill them.

They went through all of that through their life, to just to be put down?

That's not guilt free at all. That's fucking depressing.

Have you ever met people with no friends to speak of or any family? Anybody that likes them? Those sort of people bring out so much pity.

I suppose that's a matter of perspective.
Hopefully I could kill the person inexplicably and without them even noticing before they're already gone, I'd rather not think about their last thoughts.

I don't think too much about what their potential is or what their goals were, those were truly only relevant to themselves and now that they're gone there is no one to be sad over them not being fulfilled. If anything though, the person would likely go on to continue living a mediocre life. But that's just my two cents.

Not if you helped them. Not if you made the effort to give them a hand when nobody else would. And, define "medicore."

By all means, please create a general label that sums up the entirety of what a medicore life is. But, before you do, what if the person in question, who supposedly has a mediocre life, is happy?

Then you can't call it mediocre.

I don't know about you, but if I was ever dropped into the circumstance in OP, I wouldn't take that chance. Not a damn way in hell. And I sure as fuck wouldn't let that person keep living a shitty life either. I'd feel obliged to help in any and every way that I could.

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Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM

And nobody was going to miss him

Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.

This is what Solonoid actually believes, yes.

And judging by some of the replies ITT I'm not alone.

Who cares if no one is going to miss him or if I'll get in trouble, the moral concept of taking a life has literally no dependence on these qualifiers.  Literal preconventional morality itt

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:54:19 PM

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Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 02:41:27 PM

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM

And nobody was going to miss him

Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.

The dead are not alive to feel remorse for their death, meaning your action doesn't cause much suffering. If there are mourners, your action caused a great amount of suffering.

You're retarded.

Who cares? Your life is yours, and nonexistence is worse than anyone feeling bad for you. The idea that we have to depend on others for meaning is so annoying.

the lack of a family to mourn the victims death frees the killer from thoughts of guilt
i have no idea what you're going on about

Honestly if I was dropped into a situation where I was told to kill somebody with no family, no friends, nobody, I sure as fuck wouldn't be abstained from guilt.

Imagine it. Going up to someone, who went through what you could say was arguably a pretty shitty life because they never had anybody, and then you kill them.

They went through all of that through their life, to just to be put down?

That's not guilt free at all. That's fucking depressing.

Have you ever met people with no friends to speak of or any family? Anybody that likes them? Those sort of people bring out so much pity.

I suppose that's a matter of perspective.
Hopefully I could kill the person inexplicably and without them even noticing before they're already gone, I'd rather not think about their last thoughts.

I don't think too much about what their potential is or what their goals were, those were truly only relevant to themselves and now that they're gone there is no one to be sad over them not being fulfilled. If anything though, the person would likely go on to continue living a mediocre life. But that's just my two cents.

Not if you helped them. Not if you made the effort to give them a hand when nobody else would. And, define "medicore."

By all means, please create a general label that sums up the entirety of what a medicore life is. But, before you do, what if the person in question, who supposedly has a mediocre life, is happy?

Then you can't call it mediocre.

I don't know about you, but if I was ever dropped into the circumstance in OP, I wouldn't take that chance. Not a damn way in hell. And I sure as fuck wouldn't let that person keep living a shitty life either. I'd feel obliged to help in any and every way that I could.

I always felt that there was a disconnect between people who are truly happy and those who perpetually fool themselves into chasing their desires. The majority of which are the latter. But I guess there's no way for me to determine that just by looking at someone.

In the end, I still don't feel much sadness from ending that happiness if the victim hadn't even realized their death. Heck, in a way it makes me feel happy that I let their life end on a happy note.

Quote from: True Turquoise on July 05, 2015, 02:31:22 PM

no

what if it was me

why would I want to kill you?

What would make me take preference over killing one person versus another would be their contributions to society. If they're charitable, friendly, helpful, and kind, then that person's impact on others will be more positive than somebody who isn't. You can be all of those things without anybody noticing the contributions you've made simply because you don't seek gratification from other people. The recognition of a person's actions or even existence has no bearing on if they have a right to live. It's what they've done on their own that matters.

And this is assuming I'm being forced to kill somebody. I don't think about this stuff, because I have no reason to.

Okay now that everyone has voiced their opinions, what if I told you it was your kid who would go hungry if this man whose life had no value was not ended?

I don't have a kid.

And the kid couldn't exactly go hungry If I was there to look after it.

Checkmate

Quote from: Sandtrap on July 05, 2015, 02:58:44 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:54:19 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on July 05, 2015, 02:51:42 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:46:57 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 02:45:14 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:42:55 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on July 05, 2015, 02:41:27 PM

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 02:10:08 PM

And nobody was going to miss him

Why does this even matter? Is the value of your life determined by how many people will miss you when you're dead? That's retarded.

The dead are not alive to feel remorse for their death, meaning your action doesn't cause much suffering. If there are mourners, your action caused a great amount of suffering.

You're retarded.

Who cares? Your life is yours, and nonexistence is worse than anyone feeling bad for you. The idea that we have to depend on others for meaning is so annoying.

the lack of a family to mourn the victims death frees the killer from thoughts of guilt
i have no idea what you're going on about

Honestly if I was dropped into a situation where I was told to kill somebody with no family, no friends, nobody, I sure as fuck wouldn't be abstained from guilt.

Imagine it. Going up to someone, who went through what you could say was arguably a pretty shitty life because they never had anybody, and then you kill them.

They went through all of that through their life, to just to be put down?

That's not guilt free at all. That's fucking depressing.

Have you ever met people with no friends to speak of or any family? Anybody that likes them? Those sort of people bring out so much pity.

I suppose that's a matter of perspective.
Hopefully I could kill the person inexplicably and without them even noticing before they're already gone, I'd rather not think about their last thoughts.

I don't think too much about what their potential is or what their goals were, those were truly only relevant to themselves and now that they're gone there is no one to be sad over them not being fulfilled. If anything though, the person would likely go on to continue living a mediocre life. But that's just my two cents.

Not if you helped them. Not if you made the effort to give them a hand when nobody else would. And, define "medicore."

By all means, please create a general label that sums up the entirety of what a medicore life is. But, before you do, what if the person in question, who supposedly has a mediocre life, is happy?

Then you can't call it mediocre.

I don't know about you, but if I was ever dropped into the circumstance in OP, I wouldn't take that chance. Not a damn way in hell. And I sure as fuck wouldn't let that person keep living a shitty life either. I'd feel obliged to help in any and every way that I could.

I always felt that there was a disconnect between people who are truly happy and those who perpetually fool themselves into chasing their desires. The majority of which are the latter. But I guess there's no way for me to determine that just by looking at someone.

In the end, I still don't feel much sadness from ending that happiness if the victim hadn't even realized their death. Heck, in a way it makes me feel happy that I let their life end on a happy note.

Then it's a rather telling indicator of your willpower. A bit like the internet. Drop somebody in a space with no repurcussions and the worst comes out in most people.

Of course, this isn't an ultimate judgement either.

I think the people here advocating that they'd kill, actually wouldn't. Because they don't feel any weight. This is just a hypothetical.

When you actually feel the weight of your decision sitting there on top of you, that's when you flinch. Like it or no, most human beings, save for psychopaths, killing somebody is a traumatic experience. It gives nightmares and long lasting residual mental imprints.

Anybody here saying that they would is kidding themselves.

Anybody here saying that they would is kidding themselves.

Thank Christ for this sanity.

Quote from: True Turquoise on July 05, 2015, 03:10:50 PM

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:08:54 PM

Okay now that everyone has voiced their opinions, what if I told you it was your kid who would go hungry if this man whose life had no value was not ended?

I don't have a kid.

And the kid couldn't exactly go hungry If I was there to look after it.

Checkmate

It was implicit that you did, and I said they would go hungry unless you did this.
There's nothing else you can do about it.

we heavy rain now

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:42:11 PM

Cannot say that I wouldn't, as evil as it is, it would be an interesting experience that would be difficult to pass.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm naturally curious for unique experiences, and in this situation the consequences that normally bar the act are removed.

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Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:14:17 PM

Quote from: True Turquoise on July 05, 2015, 03:10:50 PM

Quote from: Sᴏʟᴏɴᴏɪᴅ on July 05, 2015, 03:08:54 PM

Okay now that everyone has voiced their opinions, what if I told you it was your kid who would go hungry if this man whose life had no value was not ended?

I don't have a kid.

And the kid couldn't exactly go hungry If I was there to look after it.

Checkmate

It was implicit that you did, and I said they would go hungry unless you did this.
There's nothing else you can do about it.

we heavy rain now

Stop fucking with the hypothetical.

never

Quote from: Winy on July 05, 2015, 03:13:15 PM

Quote from: eggsalad on July 05, 2015, 02:42:11 PM

Cannot say that I wouldn't, as evil as it is, it would be an interesting experience that would be difficult to pass.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm naturally curious for unique experiences, and in this situation the consequences that normally bar the act are removed.

The consequences that normally bar the act of killing somebody should be the acknowledgment that you are taking a person's life away without their consent. Even ignoring the damage that would be done to relatives and friends, that person is still having their will imposed on in the worst possible way because of "curiosity." Even if it was a painless death, there's no ethically sensible reason to just deprive that person of their own existence.