I started injections today

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Is there a downside to pills?


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subcutaneous estradiol valerate into belly fat


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Is there a downside to pills?
yes, pills, taken orally can never reach the same potency as injections because of how they are absorbed through the liver

oral use estrogen will also damage your liver over time

sublingual pills are superior, but come with extreme spikes and valleys in blood estradiol levels, to the point where you would want to spread your daily dose out between 4-5 smaller doses if you're trying to achieve the same level as SubQ or IM injections

injections offer very stable blood estradiol levels, to the point where a single weekly dose can give you female estradiol levels for most of the week

other common regimens are twice weekly or once every five days, the latter of which I'm doing


 
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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?


 
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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay


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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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"best" is not necessarily better, and can be very subjective

most endocrinologists recommend patches because injections are generally very expensive even with insurance, and doctors would prefer you take injections in their office as opposed to at home, which drives the price up further

ultimately, the reason patches are recommended so highly is because they are safer than oral HRT, cheaper than sublingual and subcutaneous, and both cheaper and safer than intramuscular

patches offer the most stable estradiol levels of any form of HRT, but are not good for late-transition doses and most comparisons praising how much safer they are than pills do not take into account sublingual delivery, which is the next most potent method behind injections, and does not put any strain on your liver or put you at risk of blood clots

additionally, I've not heard of anyone being able to stop taking anti-androgens on patches without a resurgence of testosterone, but that's just based on testimonials I've heard personally

so the conclusion?

if you're sensitive to hormones and therefore will never need a dose comparable to 8mg sublingual daily, if you're taking bicalutamide (spiro is very bad don't take it even for a little, let alone permanently, cypro is okay for about a year but after that it starts to cause brain damage), or if you really just can't afford injections, patches may very well be the best option for you, it really just depends on you


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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay
wow who is that cutie and does she have a boyfriend o.0


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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay

What's your point?
I'm not pumping myself with chemicals trying to become a girl


 
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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay
wow who is that cutie and does she have a boyfriend o.0
Lol you don’t know what you’re talking about but okay

If you want to buy into the whole injection scheme then that’s fine. I have keyser insurance and injections are definitely an option for me, but I don’t need that level of estrogen nor the hassle that comes with injections - I’m doing fine. I’d love to see a pic of you with absolutely no makeup and see how it compares to any pic of mine, the vast majority of which I don’t wear makeup in.

You have some good pics yes, but those pics are pre HRT and you only look good because of the vast amount of skill you have with makeup. Not really an insult - just the truth. Look at a pre transition pic of me and compare it with recent ones, the change is so evident even though I’ve just been on patches.
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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay

What's your point?
I'm not pumping myself with chemicals trying to become a girl
My baseline attractiveness even before HRT simply blows yours out of the water, and you’re in absolutely no position to disparage someone based on their looks. Stop being so rude please, even Verbatim said that you’re the last member on this site who’s truly just unnecessarily mean/toxic to others.
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Most endocrinologists agree that estrogen patches are the best form to obtain it, and that’s what I’ve been using for a year and a half.

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You're telling me you been using that shit for a year and a half and you still look like a porcelain doll that was left in a damp attic for a few decades?



LOL okay
wow who is that cutie and does she have a boyfriend o.0
Lol you don’t know what you’re talking about but okay

If you want to buy into the whole injection scheme then that’s fine. I have keyser insurance and injections are definitely an option for me, but I don’t need that level of estrogen nor the hassle that comes with injections - I’m doing fine. I’d love to see a pic of you with absolutely no makeup and see how it compares to any pic of mine, the vast majority of which I don’t wear makeup in.

You have some good pics yes, but those pics are pre HRT and you only look good because of the vast amount of skill you have with makeup. Not really an insult - just the truth. Look at a pre transition pic of me and compare it with recent ones, the change is so evident even though I’ve just been on patches.
this isn't a contest and you need to stop taking it personally right now

you just said you don't need that level of estrogen, so patches are fine for you
my post was to disseminate information and clear up any obfuscation of fact that your post created, not to challenge you to a fight, but if you really want a no-makeup pic, here you go

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and to further inform the room, I have only been on this session of HRT for five months
I have been on HRT non-consecutively for 14 of the last 27 months, usually for two to three months at a time

this is because my bank doesn't let me use e-check so I usually need to rely on others to place the order, but now that I'm on injections it's no longer an issue and I should be able to remain on hrt indefinitely


 
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this isn't a contest and you need to stop taking it personally right now
Lol fair, damn

You got me pegged and here I thought I was being subtle

Jeez idk what to say. Whatever you win, nice photo and all that. You’ve beaten me at my own game.


 
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I should work on my issues of envy and inferiority but I guess that’s part of the NPD everyone on Discord claims I have.

More to come as I drink more of this first 4 loko (two total for tonight). I mean at least I have a boyfriend who’s obsessed with me and let’s me live with him but sometimes I’m just convinced he’s delusional. I don’t even have a job rn and he buys me alcohol and cigarettes and food and everything while Big Papa Insurance buys me hormones.

Whatever lol, I have more Totally Spies to watch. They’re investigating this middle school that’s sucking the life out of its students right now and I need to yell at this scummy principal more.

Will post more here later tonight hope everyone is online


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Hmm...
Does it hurt? Do you do the injections yourself?


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Does it hurt? Do you do the injections yourself?
no, it's completely painless

I use 29g needles and can't even feel them, I've heard you can feel 25g a little more but it's still mostly painless.

If I were doing intramuscular injections I've heard it would hurt quite a bit

and yes, I do them at home
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It's his and our punishment all in one
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Hmm...
Does it hurt? Do you do the injections yourself?
no, it's completely painless

I use 29g needles and can't even feel them, I've heard you can feel 25g a little more but it's still mostly painless.

If I were doing intramuscular injections I've heard it would hurt quite a bit

and yes, I do them at home
Neat. I might ask about those when I go back to the doctor. My endo is retiring and I gotta get a new one. The dude told me he didn’t typically observe a difference between sublingual and oral and he always recommended oral over patches and injections.


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Does it hurt? Do you do the injections yourself?
no, it's completely painless

I use 29g needles and can't even feel them, I've heard you can feel 25g a little more but it's still mostly painless.

If I were doing intramuscular injections I've heard it would hurt quite a bit

and yes, I do them at home
Neat. I might ask about those when I go back to the doctor. My endo is retiring and I gotta get a new one. The dude told me he didn’t typically observe a difference between sublingual and oral and he always recommended oral over patches and injections.
that is a hard yikes

oral hrt can damage your liver over time and cause blood clots, as well as putting you at increased risk of embolism
aside from the dangers, that's the first time I've legitimately heard of a doctor saying something like that

does your endocrinologist primarily work with post-menopausal women or something?


 
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Hmm...
Does it hurt? Do you do the injections yourself?
no, it's completely painless

I use 29g needles and can't even feel them, I've heard you can feel 25g a little more but it's still mostly painless.

If I were doing intramuscular injections I've heard it would hurt quite a bit

and yes, I do them at home
Neat. I might ask about those when I go back to the doctor. My endo is retiring and I gotta get a new one. The dude told me he didn’t typically observe a difference between sublingual and oral and he always recommended oral over patches and injections.
that is a hard yikes

oral hrt can damage your liver over time and cause blood clots, as well as putting you at increased risk of embolism
aside from the dangers, that's the first time I've legitimately heard of a doctor saying something like that

does your endocrinologist primarily work with post-menopausal women or something?
Nope. He was the de-facto endo in this area. The hospital I go to is putting together a transgender center or whatever, so I’ll have plenty of choices once that is a thing.