How Do You Feel About Voting For The Lesser Of Two Evils

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I don't like Trump or Biden so I wasn't going to vote but thinking about it more, I might vote for Trump just so we don't get Biden

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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population, so I'm obligated to vote for whoever prevents him from being president. Bear in mind, I still think Trump's going to win this election, but that just goes to show how stupid people in this country are.

He's a stupid man, with stupid followers, and has no comprehension of the consequences of his actions. Biden is the less offensive of the two candidates.


 
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voting for the lesser of two evils is tautological anyway

who else are you gonna vote for? the greater of two evils?

pretty much nobody who votes thinks they're doing that, unless they're an accelerationist


 
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Hmm...
Voting Green Party cuz I’m a damn socialist and see both Trump and Biden as long term problems. Only thing I don’t agree with Howie about (so far I’ve seen) is his stance on nuclear.


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
The only reason we don't have a tiered/ranked voting system like an actual civilized country (among many other things) is because they know it would disrupt the 2 party system, of which I am of the mind that that they are both one and the same.

I'm in California which means my vote is worth practically nothing thanks to the electoral system so I'll be voting 3rd party again. If that wasn't the case and I were in a different state I suppose I'd be begrudgingly voting Biden. As usual I'm way more concerned with the local/state politics as they are significantly more important, prop 24 being one of the big ones.


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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately


 
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Change bad
you should not talk about politics, and probably shouldn't vote either


 
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and speaking as someone who voted third party in the last election and would vote third party again, voting third party in THIS election, just because "two party system bad," is also kind of cringe

there's a bigger problem on our hands right now and it must be expunged immediately


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There's always other options, that's why the write-in line exists.


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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately
I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.


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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately
I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.

It's not so much changing the institutions I have a problem with. It's changing it to fit your agenda. There's no limiting principle when you go that route


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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately
I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.

It's not so much changing the institutions I have a problem with. It's changing it to fit your agenda. There's no limiting principle when you go that route
What do you think “That route” is?


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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately
I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.

It's not so much changing the institutions I have a problem with. It's changing it to fit your agenda. There's no limiting principle when you go that route
What do you think “That route” is?

There are freedoms and rights Americans enjoy no matter who you are like freedom of speech for example. People use freedom of speech to say various things and disagree with what other groups use that freedom for. So much so that they'll try to write into law banning opposing views.

The purpose of American institutions is to protect fundamental rights for all sides to use. When one group tries to change these institutions, it threatens the equal use of rights. I just think Democrats under Biden are more likely to push (and most importantly), succeed in changing American institutions for their gain


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There are freedoms and rights Americans enjoy no matter who you are like freedom of speech for example. People use freedom of speech to say various things and disagree with what other groups use that freedom for. So much so that they'll try to write into law banning opposing views.

The purpose of American institutions is to protect fundamental rights for all sides to use. When one group tries to change these institutions, it threatens the equal use of rights. I just think Democrats under Biden are more likely to push (and most importantly), succeed in changing American institutions for their gain
What is the "Grand plan" of Democrats? Because all I see for the "Grand plan" of Republicans is depriving racial minorities of civil rights, oppressing sexual minorities on account of religious bias, and devaluing the public appreciation of scientific consensus. You are literally a service to continuous stupidity if you vote for a Republican candidate. Trump's entire presidency has hinged on his abuse of the distribution of information. He literally thrives off of your own intellectual incompetence. Neither party actually will properly service humanity, but Republican values are truly pathetic.

You have a right to speak your mind, but there is a greater value in being able to accurately demonstrate a particular viewpoint is just stupid or unethical, and to stop them from spreading their corrosive viewpoints. Freedom of speech has limits, at some point you have to actively make attempts to prevent people from saying things that ultimately harm people- Which is what Trump supporters do.
Last Edit: October 31, 2020, 12:23:13 AM by Winy


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There are freedoms and rights Americans enjoy no matter who you are like freedom of speech for example. People use freedom of speech to say various things and disagree with what other groups use that freedom for. So much so that they'll try to write into law banning opposing views.

The purpose of American institutions is to protect fundamental rights for all sides to use. When one group tries to change these institutions, it threatens the equal use of rights. I just think Democrats under Biden are more likely to push (and most importantly), succeed in changing American institutions for their gain
What is the "Grand plan" of Democrats? Because all I see for the "Grand plan" of Republicans is depriving racial minorities of civil rights, oppressing sexual minorities on account of religious bias, and devaluing the public appreciation of scientific consensus. You are literally a service to continuous stupidity if you vote for a Republican candidate. Trump's entire presidency has hinged on his abuse of the distribution of information. He literally thrives off of your own intellectual incompetence. Neither party actually will properly service humanity, but Republican values are truly pathetic.

You have a right to speak your mind, but there is a greater value in being able to accurately demonstrate a particular viewpoint is just stupid or unethical, and to stop them from spreading their corrosive viewpoints. Freedom of speech has limits, at some point you have to actively make attempts to prevent people from saying things that ultimately harm people- Which is what Trump supporters do.

You can think whatever you want about Republicans. I just think they're less dangerous to the system than Democrats right now


 
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so you've sidestepped your valid opinions only rule by not having any opinions at all

this is the epitome of getting all your political positions from your parents
Last Edit: October 31, 2020, 07:34:28 AM by Verbatim


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Voting the lesser of two evils is an option select for better policies in the future and it absolutely matters.

Regardless of the individual candidate, conservative leaning parties have a tendency to gut their public sector in favour of tax cuts for major companies (particularly banks and fossil fuel corporations) and hurts the nation long term. The same is true for Australia’s elections.

Third parties will be off the table for a long time as serious candidates to full leadership. but if the USA voting system is at all similar to Australia’s, there’s certainly no harm in voting for preferential 3rd party candidates first before selecting your major party candidate of choice.

Anyway. Point is it’s technically possible to get a future progressive government in power in the long term, rather than having more services, etc. axed by letting your vote ‘not be of consequence.’ That in itself is an uphill battle given Murdoch Media has a near vicegrip on the ballsack of every english speaking country with a two party system, and they come with a distinct conservative bias. That and people actually buy into the bias and are extremely rooted in their ideals, despite it doing them harm. Well, that and being born into a conservative voting family.

Keep in mind Conservative governments (whether it’s the Australian Liberal Party or the Republican party) love to tout a narrative of helping the economy despite it being a blatant falsehood and cash flow actually stagnating under them. What does go up is the red line in the stock market for Rio Tinto and that’s entirely different to ‘the economy’ as a whole.
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
and speaking as someone who voted third party in the last election and would vote third party again, voting third party in THIS election, just because "two party system bad," is also kind of cringe

there's a bigger problem on our hands right now and it must be expunged immediately
Again if I wasn't in California I wouldn't be voting this way, but don't forget that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million people last time. All those votes meant jack shit in a state like mine which is guaranteed to go blue because of the electoral college anyway. I'm not voting 3rd party because "two party system bad", but because I legitimately don't see either party as doing anything in my or anyone else's favor, and more numbers for the 3rd parties means they get more funding. Trump is obviously considerably worse, but Biden is a pretty shitty fucking choice too. Biden represents a return to the status quo for a lot of people, but things were pretty fucking garbage already pre-Trump. I don't feel any responsibility voting for a candidate that doesn't represent my interests past pushing things back partially to where they used to be.

Biden is a Republican in blue clothing. He was chosen as Obama's running mate because of this, and it's really funny that so many conservatives are too stupid to realize that. People forget he opposed desegregation and worked against the civil rights movement, contrary to what he says now. The overton window in the US has shifted so far right that a return to milquetoast 1992 center right politics is considered radical leftism to Trump's base. Dems will try to "nudge him to the left" which is better, sure, but beyond virtue signaling for social causes and partially reversing some of the damage, I don't have a lot of faith. He's trying hard to appeal to the center and the right, just as he always has. Biden has also made it clear that he will not create universal healthcare, he will not ban fracking, or do much of anything to address police brutality. A sizeable chunk of Obama's appointees and cabinet were from Goldman-Sachs, he deported over 2.5 million people, and he allowed the unchecked escalation of drone strikes in countries we were not at war with and had no business being in. "But Trump has been worse" you may say: yes, true, but it was Obama's administration who gave Trump the precedent and the tools. In 2009 a democrat controlled congress set a daily quota of holding 40,000 immigrants in ICE custody, 70% of them being housed in private prisons until they massively expanded that program. Most of the detention centers and cages Trump is using now were built under the Obama administration. We wouldn't even be in this mess if it wasn't for a lot of the decisions made under his administration.

The DNC really knows how to pick unappealing candidates. Regardless of the results, there's a very good chance I'm going to leave the country within the next 5-10 years or so. Would leave sooner if I could, but I have some responsibilities to take care of first plus I need to save enough money to move. I genuinely believe this country is a lost cause, and I'd like to have some semblance of a future. Not to mention, besides the Supreme Court, Trump has appointed roughly a quarter of all currently sitting federal judges and many of them are quite young. Any meager attempts at pushing to the left will be thwarted by the courts. I genuinely do not believe that things will get better any time soon.


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Could be worse.

A majority could select a third party, but due to coalition agreements, both evils join forces and take power.

Fianna Fail and Fianna Gael lost to Sinn Fein in Ireland, but look who's in power now. Can you imagine a Trump/Biden Presidency?

Urgh. Fortunately your two party system means they vehemently hate each other and can't do that, so there's a silver lining.


 
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don't forget that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million people last time. All those votes meant jack shit in a state like mine which is guaranteed to go blue because of the electoral college anyway.
be that as it may, i'm not a defeatist, so this fact doesn't really make a difference to me—if anything, it demonstrates that trump's win was a massive fluke, and that he could be easily disposed of if just a few rust belt states turned blue, and specifically the ones with a disparity of less than 1%, of which there were several (MI, WI, PA)

so i'm not calling you out in particular, but the general sentiment, because those sentiments can carry across the country in states where it actually will matter
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Trump is obviously considerably worse, but Biden is a pretty shitty fucking choice too. Biden represents a return to the status quo for a lot of people, but things were pretty fucking garbage already pre-Trump. I don't feel any responsibility voting for a candidate that doesn't represent my interests past pushing things back partially to where they used to be.
getting rid of the worst president we've had in our history should directly represent the interests of anybody with their priorities straight

it's really not a vote for biden, it's a vote to get trump the fuck out—i'm almost a single-issue voter on this, because my dislike of biden doesn't justify the risks associated with potentially giving trump another 4 years because i decided that now is the time to be a choosing beggar

you didn't need to write a paragraph shitting on biden, because nobody likes biden—that just doesn't really matter, because the election is, first and foremost, a referendum on the incumbent

if you're starving, but all you have to eat is this bad-tasting and unhealthy junk food, you don't just choose to starve to death just because you'd rather have filet mignon

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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
I mean I'd generally agree, which is why I said if I were in any other state I'd vote Biden even though I'd be thoroughly unhappy about it.


 
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New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins


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New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins
ammo prices are high and this makes biden bad


 
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New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins
is this some kind of "why do you even care who's president if it doesn't affect you personally" meme, or what


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins
Well I almost joined the National Guard but now I'm banned from joining.


 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
In retrospect I'm glad to not be in the Guard right now though. But that's besides the point.