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Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM

this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it

🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 11, 2014, 07:40:20 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM

this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it

Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression (because speed is prioritized, complexity his the back-burner). Throw in some clean singing or something more rhythmic in that department and less politically fueled lyrics and you basically have Pop Punk.

DAS B00T x2 · December 11, 2014, 07:42:13 PM

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Given the responses so far, I would assume I'm alone in liking Pop Punk here. Well, except maybe Doss.
>maybe

Babe, Jesus of Suburbia is my favorite concept album of all time.
But Green Day is radio-tier

Fine, Under Soil and Dirt best debut 2011

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 07:43:33 PM

Quote from: D4C on December 11, 2014, 07:40:20 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it
Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression (because speed is prioritized, complexity his the back-burner). Throw in some clean singing or something more rhythmic in that department and less politically fueled lyrics and you basically have Pop Punk.

I guess I was thinking more culturally

because punk culture is all about, you know, nonconformity
and pop culture is the opposite

so putting them together seems weird to me

🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 11, 2014, 07:49:41 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:43:33 PM

Quote from: D4C on December 11, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it
Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression (because speed is prioritized, complexity his the back-burner). Throw in some clean singing or something more rhythmic in that department and less politically fueled lyrics and you basically have Pop Punk.
I guess I was thinking more culturally

because punk culture is all about, you know, nonconformity
and pop culture is the opposite

so putting them together seems weird to me

The most confusing thing about Pop Punk is actually the fact that it grew from Ramones-core bands in the late 80's being called "pop punk" because apparently they never heard the motherfucking Ramones in their entire lives (up and through that point). Then came bands like Green Day with "Second wave Pop Punk", and then the bands I gave as examples are third wavers, or the "Defend Pop Punk" bands. All because one pop punk band mentioned it in an interview or some shit and everybody jumped all over it.

Point being, Pop Punk isn't called that because it's Pop + Punk, but because people didn't give enough of a shit to listen to the inspiration.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 07:52:27 PM

Ah.

yeah, this shit gives me headaches

I think the point where I stopped giving a fuck about genres was the exact point where I had to look up the etymology for all the terms, because they can't just be straightforward and sensible.

Jim · December 11, 2014, 08:00:37 PM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 11, 2014, 08:05:03 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it
Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression
EVERY rock band has a simple chord progression with the exception of some Jazz Fusion and Prog Rock. And not all Punk has simple riffs, so that isn't true either. Fugazi is punk, but they aren't very simple.

I'm not just saying simple, I mean three chord progressions are almost staple on that side of the music industry. I more mean that it isn't considered insane that, as an example, Green Day only used combinations of three or four chords over the course of an entire album.

Jim · December 11, 2014, 08:08:23 PM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 11, 2014, 08:13:17 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 08:08:23 PM

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Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 08:02:52 PM
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it
Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression
EVERY rock band has a simple chord progression with the exception of some Jazz Fusion and Prog Rock. And not all Punk has simple riffs, so that isn't true either. Fugazi is punk, but they aren't very simple.
I'm not just saying simple, I mean three chord progressions are almost staple on that side of the music industry. I more mean that it isn't considered insane that, as an example, Green Day only used combinations of three or four chords over the course of an entire album.
That's true for the majority of music outside of Classical, Jazz, and Folk.

"Majority" makes it harder to respond. I can always say that, sans the bar chord/djent subgenres, metal can get pretty complex. At the same time, since you said "majority" and not "all", you're still technically right.

Either way, basic progressions and speed are the most notable things about punk at a glance. The progression is more notable because even if most music uses the same progression, there are other ways to change it up, like stroke patterns, which (again, speed) isn't really as utilized.

DAS B00T x2 · December 11, 2014, 08:19:09 PM

Quote from: D4C on December 11, 2014, 08:05:03 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: D4C on December 11, 2014, 07:40:20 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 07:36:16 PM
this might just be good old me being wrong again

but "pop punk" seems like an oxymoron, doesn't it
Punk's biggest characteristic, besides speed and harsh vocals, is the simple chord progression
EVERY rock band has a simple chord progression with the exception of some Jazz Fusion and Prog Rock. And not all Punk has simple riffs, so that isn't true either. Fugazi is punk, but they aren't very simple.
I'm not just saying simple, I mean three chord progressions are almost staple on that side of the music industry. I more mean that it isn't considered insane that, as an example, Green Day only used combinations of three or four chords over the course of an entire album.

>tfw Brian Fallon used four chords for an entire career
Step it up, Billie Joe Armstrong.

Jim · December 11, 2014, 08:24:53 PM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · December 11, 2014, 08:31:00 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 08:24:53 PM

I find the lyricism and vocals to be more prominent in most Punk music.

Lyricism is definitely very important in the Punk genre, but that's why I specified "at a glance". Strictly speaking on how it sounds in general.