Spoiler Dragon Ball Thread (DBS episode 122)

Spartan · January 05, 2018, 02:34:45 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 05, 2018, 12:38:40 PM

Quote from: Spartan on January 04, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
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also the official twitter feed is posting preview pics every day until episode 122 https://twitter.com/DB_super2015

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Big Boss · January 06, 2018, 08:58:34 PM

That episode was great. AND DAT PREVIEW/ENDING SHOT OF THE NEW SONG.

Big Boss · January 06, 2018, 09:01:49 PM

Also, is this the first time we've seen the lightning sparks in SSJB?

Batch · January 06, 2018, 09:31:09 PM

Second Fiddle™️ is getting a new form by the looks, a more refined blue?

Also could have been a Burter reference with Freiza and Dyspo, but regardless I wanna see more of where that is going.

Batch · January 06, 2018, 09:36:15 PM

Quote from: Best Boss on January 06, 2018, 08:58:34 PM

That episode was great. AND DAT PREVIEW/ENDING SHOT OF THE NEW SONG.

Maxine · January 07, 2018, 04:22:04 AM

Quote from: Best Boss on January 06, 2018, 09:01:49 PM

Also, is this the first time we've seen the lightning sparks in SSJB?

nah there’s occasionally some sparks at dramatic moments

Spartan · January 07, 2018, 04:44:08 AM

Quote from: Best Boss on January 06, 2018, 09:01:49 PM

Also, is this the first time we've seen the lightning sparks in SSJB?

I know Black had lightning when he first Super Saiyan Rosé for the first time, and that is the SSGSS form. Don't remember it for Goku/Vegeta though.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 05:05:47 AM

Quote from: Batch on January 06, 2018, 09:36:15 PM

Quote from: Best Boss on January 06, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
That episode was great. AND DAT PREVIEW/ENDING SHOT OF THE NEW SONG.

it looks so awful holy shit

Elai · January 07, 2018, 05:10:54 AM

yeah this new ending is... something else

biggest issue with the new ep is that the animators under takahashi really stand out in comparison to his KA. karasawa didnt do so nearly as much in 114 and his art meshed well with taka, particularly his shading. direction and story boarding was on point here though. some new stuff for sumitomo too.

Batch · January 07, 2018, 05:41:12 AM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 05:05:47 AM

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Quote from: Best Boss on January 06, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
That episode was great. AND DAT PREVIEW/ENDING SHOT OF THE NEW SONG.

it looks so awful holy shit

He looks like a pokemon...

Flee · January 07, 2018, 07:05:17 AM

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big sponge · January 07, 2018, 01:31:52 PM

wish toei could stay consistent with their art style. not only were there scenes in this episode that looked completely out of place when compared to the rest of it, but the preview for the next episode looks downright awful.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 01:41:58 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 01:31:52 PM

wish toei could stay consistent with their art style. not only were there scenes in this episode that looked completely out of place when compared to the rest of it, but the preview for the next episode looks downright awful.

doesnt really have much to do with toei, that's dependent on how strict the animation supervisors are in regards to the character sheets. and personally i'd much rather see dragon ball super look inconsistently bad than consistently bad like before. takahashi has supervised the best looking episodes in dragon ball history so complaining that it looks too good in comparison to the standard thats been set seems pretty short sighted.

big sponge · January 07, 2018, 01:50:10 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:41:58 PM

doesnt really have much to do with toei, that's dependent on how strict the animation supervisors are in regards to the character sheets.

that has everything to do with toei.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 01:59:19 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 01:50:10 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
doesnt really have much to do with toei, that's dependent on how strict the animation supervisors are in regards to the character sheets.

that has everything to do with toei.

how do you figure

i mean unless you consider every person that works at toei "toei" as if they make those kinds of decisions

even then several of the staff dont work at toei and are freelanced

big sponge · January 07, 2018, 03:14:33 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:59:19 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
doesnt really have much to do with toei, that's dependent on how strict the animation supervisors are in regards to the character sheets.

that has everything to do with toei.

how do you figure

i mean unless you consider every person that works at toei "toei" as if they make those kinds of decisions

even then several of the staff dont work at toei and are freelanced

it's a problem toei has had across all their shows for over a decade now. they make tons of money, but refuse to spend any of it on creating a consistently good looking product because they know people will eat up whatever they put out. the management at that studio is complete crap. their planning is pretty much nonexistent and they keep on people that should have been let go ages ago and replaced with more talented individuals.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 06:01:33 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 03:14:33 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
doesnt really have much to do with toei, that's dependent on how strict the animation supervisors are in regards to the character sheets.

that has everything to do with toei.

how do you figure

i mean unless you consider every person that works at toei "toei" as if they make those kinds of decisions

even then several of the staff dont work at toei and are freelanced

it's a problem toei has had across all their shows for over a decade now. they make tons of money, but refuse to spend any of it on creating a consistently good looking product because they know people will eat up whatever they put out. the management at that studio is complete crap. their planning is pretty much nonexistent and they keep on people that should have been let go ages ago and replaced with more talented individuals.

well, i can't speak for other toei products. but beyond yamamuro, the super team is incredibly talented and deserves to be there (for the most part). while the schedule is still not fantastic, after yamamuro stepped aside as the series director (just after Tournament of Gods Arc iirc) things have been really excellent in terms of production. super is actually a better animated show than Z was. the main problem (and i think is your problem too) is the character art. the design sheets are so stiff and unfriendly to animate that it results in a worse looking product, despite showcasing greater technical skill. tate is probably the best animator on the project but his loose style really doesn't jive with the stiff character design sheets, and so he sticks out like a sore thumb and gets unfairly shit on. that's where takahashi comes in and supervises an episode, making corrections to look more like the show he grew up on and everybody creams in their shorts. 114 showcases this better than 122.

Z was always a show that basically sold itself on its incredible character art and thats it. even for its time, the instances of sakuga weren't ever much to write home about. super on the other hand places a much smaller emphasis on character art (thank god because it would look terrible) and attempts to make the fights a lot more technically impressive.

it's not because they don't spend money or because it's poorly managed. that may be the case with other projects but i know for a fact that it isn't on Super.

big sponge · January 07, 2018, 06:09:46 PM

you honestly need to watch more chink cartoons if you think the super team is "incredibly talented". there are some talented people working there yes, but in comparison to the rest of the industry they're pretty low tier overall.

Spartan · January 07, 2018, 06:13:52 PM

I was so glad that Tate had like the best animation cut in Episode 110, being most of Ultra Instinct Goku vs Jiren. Episode 5's scheduling was so unfair to him and he's had plenty of great moments like Trunks vs Black over the forest, Vegeta's beatdown of Black and I really enjoyed SSB Goku vs Hit.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 06:18:02 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 06:09:46 PM

you honestly need to watch more chink cartoons if you think the super team is "incredibly talented". there are some talented people working there yes, but in comparison to the rest of the industry they're pretty low tier overall.

if the team is full of incredibly talented people, then the team is incredibly talented. i'm not saying they've been able to fully show off their skills (shida, my favourite animator, in particular has been lacklustre as a KA) or even, that supers animation is incredible. but its chocked full of talent no matter how you slice it.

Elai · January 07, 2018, 06:19:44 PM

Quote from: Spartan on January 07, 2018, 06:13:52 PM

I was so glad that Tate had like the best animation cut in Episode 110, being most of Ultra Instinct Goku vs Jiren. Episode 5's scheduling was so unfair to him and he's had plenty of great moments like Trunks vs Black over the forest, Vegeta's beatdown of Black and I really enjoyed SSB Goku vs Hit.

i loved the goku vs. frieza fight he did. his work in 118 was pretty exceptional too but honestly the storyboarding is what elevated those cuts so much.

big sponge · January 07, 2018, 06:24:27 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 06:18:02 PM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 06:09:46 PM
you honestly need to watch more chink cartoons if you think the super team is "incredibly talented". there are some talented people working there yes, but in comparison to the rest of the industry they're pretty low tier overall.

if the team is full of incredibly talented people, then the team is incredibly talented. i'm not saying they've been able to fully show off their skills (shida, my favourite animator, in particular has been lacklustre as a KA) or even, that supers animation is incredible. but its chocked full of talent no matter how you slice it.

call me back when toeis super team is able to produce anything on the same level as say Shaft, Kyoani, or Ufotable.

big sponge · January 07, 2018, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 06:29:37 PM

i fucked up and hit edit instead of reply and i couldn't salvage your old post. sorry about fucking that reply chain.

basically what i said in the post i accidentally edited was that scheaduling issues and him not having the time to do his work are bad management. none of the other studios i mentioned are plagued with the problems toei comes with and this includes when you compare their one shot ovas and movies. if they actually had good planning and project management their best people would have more than enough time do their work, but as i mentioned before toei just kind of shits stuff out because they know people will buy it anyway.

other studios have some pretty extensive planning stages before any project actually gets started. studios like ufotable will typically spend a few months planning things out before they actually get started on a new season and it really shows in the final product.

i just pulled a couple random images out of a folders here for an example

Maxine · January 08, 2018, 03:03:13 AM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 06:29:37 PM

i fucked up and hit edit instead of reply and i couldn't salvage your old post. sorry about fucking that reply chain.

basically what i said in the post i accidentally edited was that scheaduling issues and him not having the time to do his work are bad management. none of the other studios i mentioned are plagued with the problems toei comes with and this includes when you compare their one shot ovas and movies. if they actually had good planning and project management their best people would have more than enough time do their work, but as i mentioned before toei just kind of shits stuff out because they know people will buy it anyway.

other studios have some pretty extensive planning stages before any project actually gets started. studios like ufotable will typically spend a few months planning things out before they actually get started on a new season and it really shows in the final product.

i just pulled a couple random images out of a folders here for an example

dragon ball isn't a seasonal anime though, so you can't really do that kind of planning that you can for a seasonal show

Elai · January 08, 2018, 08:46:22 AM

Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on January 07, 2018, 06:53:51 PM

Quote from: Snake on January 07, 2018, 06:29:37 PM

i fucked up and hit edit instead of reply and i couldn't salvage your old post. sorry about fucking that reply chain.

basically what i said in the post i accidentally edited was that scheaduling issues and him not having the time to do his work are bad management. none of the other studios i mentioned are plagued with the problems toei comes with and this includes when you compare their one shot ovas and movies. if they actually had good planning and project management their best people would have more than enough time do their work, but as i mentioned before toei just kind of shits stuff out because they know people will buy it anyway.

other studios have some pretty extensive planning stages before any project actually gets started. studios like ufotable will typically spend a few months planning things out before they actually get started on a new season and it really shows in the final product.

i just pulled a couple random images out of a folders here for an example

i see where you're coming from. i do think it's a bit unfair to compare seasonal anime to long running, though. to get back to the crux of the argument, the art of dragon ball super isn't hindered by the schedule or the management or toei not caring about consistency. it's entirely the character designer's fault that super looks the way it is, and takahashi's """fault""" to completely forego the character designs in favour of a more traditional look.

i mean, i would love love LOVE Super to be seasonal or even have a godly schedule like Pokemon Sun and Moon that has episodes being worked on 20 weeks in advance but those are still pretty novel concepts. i guess what im saying is, for a weekly anime with a really poor schedule, super's production has been really great, especially since the special. lets hope the rumours of a hiatus after this arc are true, so they can focus on the movie and really set the schedule straight for the show when it comes back in 2019.

Elai · January 08, 2018, 10:47:10 AM

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Flee · January 08, 2018, 10:53:52 AM

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Elai · January 08, 2018, 11:00:31 AM

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Lets hope the rumours of a hiatus after this arc are true
Fuck that.

The show desperately needs to catch a break. There's no good reason to not have one and all its going to do is make both the movie and the show worse.

Flee · January 08, 2018, 11:18:33 AM

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Elai · January 08, 2018, 11:22:55 AM

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Lets hope the rumours of a hiatus after this arc are true
Fuck that.

The show desperately needs to catch a break. There's no good reason to not have one and all its going to do is make both the movie and the show worse.
"I don't want to wait" is a perfectly good reason though.

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Not actually being super serial here

That's just dumb though. Who cares if there's a new episode every week if nothing interesting happens and they look bad? Imagine if from the beginning of March to the end of December all we got were filler episodes. No one can die, no one can get a new form, no one can really change or grow. On top of that, it will all look sub par because the animators will be forced to work on the show in between moments of working on the movie. It's not a good idea.