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Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.Are you playing Devils advocate or actually this blind to the world?
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Quote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because FGM is not.I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:29:21 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because FGM is not.I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....I'm heavily against infant circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.
Quote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:42:00 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:29:21 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because FGM is not.I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....I'm heavily against infant circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.So by society, you actually mean rich people?
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:52:39 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:42:00 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:29:21 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because FGM is not.I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....I'm heavily against infant circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.So by society, you actually mean rich people?I mean all levels of society.
Quote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Quote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 06:11:11 AMQuote from: Flee on January 16, 2017, 06:07:29 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.That seems based on a lacking understanding of female circumcision procedures. There's many different types and the labia or clitoris are only removed in a few of them. Very often it's limited to a small knick or cut of the clitoral hood, which is the exact female counterpart of the foreskin. The consequences of those are at the same level of male circumcision (if not less) and yet they are still outlawed just the same despite being done for pretty much the exact same reasons (assumptions about hygiene, religion, social approval, culture, sexuality...). I don't disagree with you, but the argument that they're incomparable and shouldn't be part of the same debate only holds true for the most extreme cases of female circumcision and ignores much of reality. Both practices should be illegal and drawing comparisons with female circumcision is perfectly valid in this debate when considering other types of FGM too.
Quote from: Flee on January 16, 2017, 06:07:29 AMQuote from: Velox on January 16, 2017, 05:23:14 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:16:35 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 05:01:10 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 05:00:02 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:53:28 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:49:57 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:48:58 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:46:54 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:42:43 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.This isn't hard.Oh noes! My lower social position!No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed" doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud". Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on January 16, 2017, 04:35:29 AMQuote from: SecondClass on January 16, 2017, 04:25:41 AMtwo out of threeAre you like Verbatim:Or do you represent actual oppressed women?I sure feel bad for those western women who are being oppressed by video games. It must suck to wake up everyday in your home which is valued at 5million and then drive to your 7 figure job in your 6 figure car to know that there are video games out there which sexualized women.
I am a real feminist. I seek to free the women of the world from their Jewish oppressors and open their eyes to the evils of the race mixing propaganda that they're bombarded with daily.
Do you see yourself as an SJW, feminist or creationist?
