Do you see yourself as an SJW, feminist or creationist?

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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
T4R

I know Verbatim can't post yet, so we have at least one. Is there anyone else?


 
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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?


 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.


 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?


 
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two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.


 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
Are you playing Devils advocate or actually this blind to the world?


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
Are you playing Devils advocate or actually this blind to the world?
Okay, help me out here.
What exactly needs to change? Who / what and how needs to stop oppressing you poor people of the 'Land of the free'?


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!


 
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LMAO a list of nitpicky bullshit

meanwhile women are actually oppressed

fuck off, misogynistic retard


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because FGM is not.

I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because FGM is not.

I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....
I'm heavily against infant  circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.

Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.

And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because FGM is not.

I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....
I'm heavily against infant  circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.

Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.

And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.

So by society, you actually mean rich people?


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because FGM is not.

I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....
I'm heavily against infant circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.

Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.

And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.

So by society, you actually mean rich people?
I mean all levels of society.


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Hey.
I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because FGM is not.

I still don't see who needs to change and how they need to change for the oppression to stop. And don't tell me its society....
I'm heavily against infant circumcision, but you can't really compare it to FGM. In one a loose flap of skin is cut off, in one it's the nerve and blood vessel filled labia, and sometimes the vulva is sown shut.

Society would have to change to stop the oppression that is on a society-wide level, but it's obviously going to be gradual and slow. At this point it's mainly the attitude of people that will change with generational shifts rather that laws.

And yes, that includes fixing the biases that exists against men as well.

So by society, you actually mean rich people?
I mean all levels of society.
But how can they change if they are oppressed?


 
 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.
It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.

I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.


 
 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.
It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.

I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.
That seems based on a lacking understanding of female circumcision procedures. There's many different types and the labia or clitoris are only removed in a few of them. Very often it's limited to a small knick or cut of the clitoral hood, which is the exact female counterpart of the foreskin. The consequences of those are at the same level of male circumcision (if not less) and yet they are still outlawed just the same despite being done for pretty much the exact same reasons (assumptions about hygiene, religion, social approval, culture, sexuality...).

I don't disagree with you, but the argument that they're incomparable and shouldn't be part of the same debate only holds true for the most extreme cases of female circumcision and ignores much of reality. Both practices should be illegal and drawing comparisons with female circumcision is perfectly valid in this debate when considering other types of FGM too.


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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.
It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.

I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.
That seems based on a lacking understanding of female circumcision procedures. There's many different types and the labia or clitoris are only removed in a few of them. Very often it's limited to a small knick or cut of the clitoral hood, which is the exact female counterpart of the foreskin. The consequences of those are at the same level of male circumcision (if not less) and yet they are still outlawed just the same despite being done for pretty much the exact same reasons (assumptions about hygiene, religion, social approval, culture, sexuality...).

I don't disagree with you, but the argument that they're incomparable and shouldn't be part of the same debate only holds true for the most extreme cases of female circumcision and ignores much of reality. Both practices should be illegal and drawing comparisons with female circumcision is perfectly valid in this debate when considering other types of FGM too.
I wasn't aware of that, that makes sense.

I withdraw my stance on that subject.


 
 
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Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
Women in America are oppressed, just like women in the Middle East are.

You aren't a hypocrite if you a volunteer at an American soup kitchen because third world countries are hungrier.
Give examples of oppression in the Western world, please.
Institutionalized discrimination is oppression.
Women can do anything, as long as men let them - is that right?
Women can't do anything, neither can men. We're limited by our social position and wealth. Women by default have a lower social positon than men because of the institutionalized discrimination they face. That's the problem.
Lower social position? How can you be at a lower social position not by your choice?
Wealth? That's the way our world works, wealthy people can do more - financially only.
If you're discriminated against by the government and society, you're lower socially than someone who isn't.

This isn't hard.

Oh noes! My lower social position!
No shit, there's issues on both sides and it's not black and white. "Women are systematically oppressed"  doesn't mean "mean literally live on the 7th cloud".

Not to mentioned some of these are ridiculous. How is "circumcision is legal" a "female privilege"?
Because it is legal to circumcise males but not females, pretty much.
It's not when the surgical procedures aren't comparable. There's a good reason why female genital mutilation is called that, and why it's outlawed.

I still think infant circumcision should be illegal, but based on gender equality, because it's not equal to FGM.
That seems based on a lacking understanding of female circumcision procedures. There's many different types and the labia or clitoris are only removed in a few of them. Very often it's limited to a small knick or cut of the clitoral hood, which is the exact female counterpart of the foreskin. The consequences of those are at the same level of male circumcision (if not less) and yet they are still outlawed just the same despite being done for pretty much the exact same reasons (assumptions about hygiene, religion, social approval, culture, sexuality...).

I don't disagree with you, but the argument that they're incomparable and shouldn't be part of the same debate only holds true for the most extreme cases of female circumcision and ignores much of reality. Both practices should be illegal and drawing comparisons with female circumcision is perfectly valid in this debate when considering other types of FGM too.
I wasn't aware of that, that makes sense.

I withdraw my stance on that subject.
Yeah, it's not too well known for some reason. The WHO has a 4 tier classification system, with tier 1a only covering the the cutting of the clitoral hood and 4 being all other forms which do not sew or remove the labia and entire clitoris.

For example, in South-Asia the procedure is still relatively common but much more limited. This article describes it well and states that FGM there is limited to "procedures such as cutting off a small piece of the highest part of the clitoral hood (also known as the prepuce or foreskin), drawing blood by scraping or pricking". This should definitely still be illegal but is much more similar to male circumcision and is clearly far removed from the complete removal of the labia and clitoris or even the sewing shut of the entire genital area.

I fully agree with you, but comparison can definitely be drawn between the male and female type. Several forms of FGM are much worse than male circumcision, but others are not too different.


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Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
I sure feel bad for those western women who are being oppressed by video games. It must suck to wake up everyday in your home which is valued at 5million and then drive to your 7 figure job in your 6 figure car to know that there are video games out there which sexualized women.
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I came here from b.net after a few Floods invited me. None of them post on either b.net nor here anymore, which is sad. I was still active on b.net until for some bizarre reason, b.net admins locked out people who have not played Destiny. Even if you wanted to post on the offtopic section. After that, I fully moved here and have not returned to b.net since.
Please come play Halo with me.
two out of three
Are you like Verbatim:


Or do you represent actual oppressed women?
I sure feel bad for those western women who are being oppressed by video games. It must suck to wake up everyday in your home which is valued at 5million and then drive to your 7 figure job in your 6 figure car to know that there are video games out there which sexualized women.
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I am a real feminist. I seek to free the women of the world from their Jewish oppressors and open their eyes to the evils of the race mixing propaganda that they're bombarded with daily.


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I am a real feminist. I seek to free the women of the world from their Jewish oppressors and open their eyes to the evils of the race mixing propaganda that they're bombarded with daily.

You're fighting the good fight brother.

Keep tyrone's hands off the women of our race.


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I think one of the largest flaws of the current feminist movement is that they have no concept of sarcasm or irony. Everything is taken at face value.