Covid lockdown status update

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China isn't even in the top 10 in respect to death toll
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NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN TRUMPERINO, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE AMERISHART GREAT AGAIN, THE BLEACHERINOS WERE SUPPOSED TO CURE US.


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Next time pick a better example.
From your own article:

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But Japan’s version of “lockdown” – requests to avoid unnecessary outings, work from home and observe social distancing – came across as a timid response to a situation that risked spiraling out of control. The dispatch of two reusable masks to every household was met with derision, as people posted photographs on social media of the small, and in some cases dirty, “Abenomasks” – a play on the leader’s economic policy dubbed “Abenomics”.
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Abe’s performance throughout the crisis has been uneven, according to Tobias Harris, an expert on Japanese politics at Teneo consultancy. “I think he has struggled to stay ahead of events since the beginning, has not communicated effectively, and has been poorly served by his lieutenants.”
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The Abe administration has gained few political dividends for its response; instead, most plaudits have gone to the quiet determination shown by the public, armed with virus-challenging habits formed long before the pandemic.
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“I don’t think the falling number of infections is due to government policies,” said Ryuji Koike, the assistant director of Tokyo Medical and Dental university hospital. “I think it looks like Japan is doing well thanks to things that can’t be measured, like daily habits and ‘Japanese behaviour’.”
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Japan’s incremental exit from the state of emergency continues. Last week, Abe ended the measure in 39 prefectures, adding another three this week. Tokyo and four other prefectures could join them as early as Monday, according to media reports.

You're wrong, and that's okay. Things will go back to normal before the end of the year, most people are finally starting to grow some common sense. In your own words: cope.


 
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Don't forget that a large number of those US numbers are from NYC where they have incredibly strict lock down measures.



 
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Don't forget that a large number of those US numbers are from NYC where they have incredibly strict lock down measures.

I mean, nyc would have been like, 4x worse if cuomo hadn't told all the poors to stay home


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China isn't even in the top 10 in respect to death toll
Haha propaganda machine go brrrr
NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN TRUMPERINO, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE AMERISHART GREAT AGAIN, THE BLEACHERINOS WERE SUPPOSED TO CURE US.
who mentioned trump?

The Chinese government deserves criticism.


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Next time pick a better example.
From your own article:

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But Japan’s version of “lockdown” – requests to avoid unnecessary outings, work from home and observe social distancing – came across as a timid response to a situation that risked spiraling out of control. The dispatch of two reusable masks to every household was met with derision, as people posted photographs on social media of the small, and in some cases dirty, “Abenomasks” – a play on the leader’s economic policy dubbed “Abenomics”.
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Abe’s performance throughout the crisis has been uneven, according to Tobias Harris, an expert on Japanese politics at Teneo consultancy. “I think he has struggled to stay ahead of events since the beginning, has not communicated effectively, and has been poorly served by his lieutenants.”
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The Abe administration has gained few political dividends for its response; instead, most plaudits have gone to the quiet determination shown by the public, armed with virus-challenging habits formed long before the pandemic.
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“I don’t think the falling number of infections is due to government policies,” said Ryuji Koike, the assistant director of Tokyo Medical and Dental university hospital. “I think it looks like Japan is doing well thanks to things that can’t be measured, like daily habits and ‘Japanese behaviour’.”
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Japan’s incremental exit from the state of emergency continues. Last week, Abe ended the measure in 39 prefectures, adding another three this week. Tokyo and four other prefectures could join them as early as Monday, according to media reports.

You're wrong, and that's okay. Things will go back to normal before the end of the year, most people are finally starting to grow some common sense. In your own words: cope.
Lol, what exactly is your trump card here? You referenced Japan as a fuck up in regards to the governmental handling of the crisis, and yeah I would agree, but I also explained to you exactly why this is not an apt example due to the pre-existing societal norms of Japan's society. They dodged a bullet due to them already being extremely hygienic as a cultural practice way before the prospect of a pandemic was even plausible.

The comparison you're making here is like saying a poverty stricken fitness freak has lived to 80 whereas an obese hamplanet with all the medical care in the world has made it to 50.


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>"Not locking down forever will be a disaster!"
>Japan did minimal at the wake of pandemic
>Everyone claims the country was going to become a disaster as well
>They handled the pandemic fine because of everything else other than their government response
>"Stay the FUCK home!"

Yeah, you sure showed me.



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China isn't even in the top 10 in respect to death toll
Haha propaganda machine go brrrr
NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN TRUMPERINO, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE AMERISHART GREAT AGAIN, THE BLEACHERINOS WERE SUPPOSED TO CURE US.
who mentioned trump?

The Chinese government deserves criticism.
I agree. But it's also possible to hold the opinion that China deserves its day in the ICJ and also condemn America's handling of the crisis. Its not a mutually exclusive concept.


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>"Not locking down forever will be a disaster!"
>Japan did minimal at the wake of pandemic
>Everyone claims the country was going to become a disaster as well
>They handled the pandemic fine because of everything else other than their government response
>"Stay the FUCK home!"

Yeah, you sure showed me.

Le ebin 4channel greentext.

I ask again, what's this argument shattering point you seem to have arrived at here? The US population has proved time and time again that they lack the capability of putting safety before individual preferences throughout this crisis. Japan has not. Your comparisons are bogus.


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It's called easy formatting.

If the US is doing so unbelievably poorly, how about you respond to the numbers Das brought up? Or the fact that a good portion of the US numbers are from places with strict draconian lock down measures? Or are you going to ignore it and just make laughably false insinuations about 30 million unemployed people some more since that seems to be your biggest gripe.

Le ebin 4channel greentext.

I ask again, what's this argument shattering point you seem to have arrived at here? The US population has proved time and time again that they lack the capability of putting safety before individual preferences throughout this crisis. Japan has not. Your comparisons are bogus.


 
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Don't forget that a large number of those US numbers are from NYC where they have incredibly strict lock down measures.

I mean, nyc would have been like, 4x worse if cuomo hadn't told all the poors to stay home

If you take NY out of the equation, the rest of America is doing well
Even in NY medical capacity wasn't overwhelmed


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If the US is doing so unbelievably poorly, how about you respond to the numbers Das brought up?

He posted a graph with no source and no verifiable confirmation. I have no reason to doubt the statistics but how can I contest something that is tantamount to a picture with no source to back it up?
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Or the fact that a good portion of the US numbers are from places with strict draconian lock down measures?

Would really appreciate a source on this that isn't a jpeg.
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Or are you going to ignore it and just make laughably false insinuations about 30 million unemployed people some more since that seems to be your biggest gripe.

This is more a US societal problem than it is a Covid problem. Your entire economy is predicated on a dog eat dog mentality that if the poor can't cut it then they're left on the scrap heap, even during a crisis which they have no control over. Every other developed nation has their workers on a furlough scheme because they recognise that saving lives takes precedent over capitalist greed and producitivity


 
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that chart was from JHU i think

there's a bunch of other statistics floating around various medical and educational websites that seem to cross-reference just fine with that data if you wanna check further


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Would really appreciate a source on this that isn't a jpeg.
https://www.wthr.com/article/vermont-orders-walmart-target-stop-selling-non-essential-items-store
>No purchasing gardening supplies because growing your own produce is more dangerous than buying produce that has been coughed on by people who may have Covid-19.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/officials-paddleboarder-arrested-at-malibu-pier-for-flouting-state-stay-at-home-order/
>No paddleboarding in the ocean by yourself because you might infect the lifeguard with Covid-19.

>https://www.gameandfishmag.com/editorial/mixed-signals-on-fishing-during-covid-19-crisis/374430
>No fishing (a usually solitary hobby or one with minimal P2P contact) in Washington state.

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This is more a US societal problem than it is a Covid problem. Your entire economy is predicated on a dog eat dog mentality that if the poor can't cut it then they're left on the scrap heap, even during a crisis which they have no control over. Every other developed nation has their workers on a furlough scheme because they recognise that saving lives takes precedent over capitalist greed and producitivity
It's funny that you say that considering:
1. European and Asian countries are starting to reopen slowly as well.
2. American workers who weren't laid off (because small businesses with owners who are just scraping by can't survive an elongated lock down process) are furloughed as well (I was furloughed).
3. You talk about "American capitalist greed" for wanting to go back to work yet some of the biggest corporations like Walmart, Amazon, and Target have been making money hand over fist due to this pandemic and the top richest people in the world only got more rich because of the pandemic (Link here).
4. This pandemic and it's lock down is sending millions of people into crippling poverty (Link here).
Last Edit: May 27, 2020, 05:44:19 PM by Ian


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China isn't even in the top 10 in respect to death toll
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NOOOO NOT MY HECKIN TRUMPERINO, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE AMERISHART GREAT AGAIN, THE BLEACHERINOS WERE SUPPOSED TO CURE US.
who mentioned trump?

The Chinese government deserves criticism.
I agree. But it's also possible to hold the opinion that China deserves its day in the ICJ and also condemn America's handling of the crisis. Its not a mutually exclusive concept.

I agree, I was actually going to say the same to you.


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https://www.wthr.com/article/vermont-orders-walmart-target-stop-selling-non-essential-items-store
>No purchasing gardening supplies because growing your own produce is more dangerous than buying produce that has been coughed on by people who may have Covid-19.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/officials-paddleboarder-arrested-at-malibu-pier-for-flouting-state-stay-at-home-order/
>No paddleboarding in the ocean by yourself because you might infect the lifeguard with Covid-19.

>https://www.gameandfishmag.com/editorial/mixed-signals-on-fishing-during-covid-19-crisis/374430
>No fishing (a usually solitary hobby or one with minimal P2P contact) in Washington state.

>isolated incidences
>game and fucking fish mag

Go boomer somewhere else.
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It's funny that you say that considering:
1. European and Asian countries are starting to reopen slowly as well.

Yup. And South Korea saw 40 new fresh covid cases as a result.

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2. American workers who weren't laid off (because small businesses with owners who are just scraping by can't survive an elongated lock down process) are furloughed as well (I was furloughed).

Congratulations. The UK and every other developed nation is paying 80% of workers wages. Leaving your own personal circumstances and anecdotes aside, what exactly is America doing to rectify this?

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3. You talk about "American capitalist greed" for wanting to go back to work yet some of the biggest corporations like Walmart, Amazon, and Target have been making money hand over fist due to this pandemic and the top richest people in the world only got more rich because of the pandemic (Link here).

What exactly is this refuting here? That corporate greed is excelling during one of the biggest collective human catastrophes since the Great depression? Yeah no fucking shit sherlock.

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4. This pandemic and it's lock down is sending millions of people into crippling poverty (Link here).
WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ECONOMY


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Yup. And South Korea saw 40 new fresh covid cases as a result.

WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE ECONOMY

Just a couple wuestions for you

At what point do you think we're never going to get infected?

And what do you think the economy is?


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At what point do you think we're never going to get infected?
The point where we develop a a vaccine, if and when it's possible
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And what do you think the economy is?
Where the opulent rich get richer and those at the bottom get the shaft, as it has always been since the inception of capitalism.


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The point where we develop a a vaccine, if and when it's possible

Seeing as that is not for the foreseeable future, when do you suggest we reopen?

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Where the opulent rich get richer and those at the bottom get the shaft, as it has always been since the inception of capitalism.

I won't argue there but ignoring the rich and looking at the poor or hell even middle class, they are part of the economy too. Whether you think they're slaves to wages or whatever, their survival is tied to the economy as of right now so what do you think we should do about that?


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Seeing as that is not for the foreseeable future, when do you suggest we reopen?
When we have sustainable control of the virus via social distancing.
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I won't argue there but ignoring the rich and looking at the poor or hell even middle class, they are part of the economy too. Whether you think they're slaves to wages or whatever, their survival is tied to the economy as of right now so what do you think we should do about that?
Continue social distancing and until deaths and infection rates are controllable. What about this is so convoluted.
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Seeing as that is not for the foreseeable future, when do you suggest we reopen?
When we have sustainable control of the virus via social distancing.
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I won't argue there but ignoring the rich and looking at the poor or hell even middle class, they are part of the economy too. Whether you think they're slaves to wages or whatever, their survival is tied to the economy as of right now so what do you think we should do about that?
Continue social distancing and until deaths and infection rates are controllable. What about this is so convoluted.

So what exactly is your problem with the current process of reopening? Ventilator demand has been met, hospitals have not been overwhelmed, and testing is acceptable in the US right now

Of course there are going to be more cases when we reopen but we have the capacity to deal with it


 
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