An atheist has more wonder for the world than any religious person

 
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There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."

"HA, I called your opinion EDGY! That means I'm right, because you're EDGY! HAHA!"

Religion is for dopey retards with nothing real to hope for in their lives.

there is nothing real to hope for in anyone's life


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More spiritual wonder

You mean cosmological wonder you fucking idiot. And even then you're still wrong, it's all based solely on the individual.

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This is an opinion that ignores other's choices in life who may have had a positive experience because of religion. There's a reason we use to have pastors work in prisons that isn't because of a non-secular government.

There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."


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There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."

"HA, I called your opinion EDGY! That means I'm right, because you're EDGY! HAHA!"

Religion is for dopey retards with nothing real to hope for in their lives.

Let's be honest, taking the stereotypical /r/atheism hardline anti-theist stance and being so hyperbolic in your arguments isn't going to garner any other response than "wow that's edgy".

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Religion, specifically Christianity, is a cornerstone in the foundation of Western Society.

I fail to see how that is at all relevant to the validity of belief.  The prominence of a belief has no correlation with whether the belief itself is true. 

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Religion is a way we can express ideas, philosophy, and morality.

There are a lot of ways to express ideas besides religion.  It's not necessary.

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You cannot have a fruitful society without religion, look at the USSR for example.

This is absolute bologna.  Atheism has no goals.  It cannot lead to anything except "disbelief in god or gods".  You would be looking at other ideologies.  As the number of people who believe in a God goes down, the quality of life goes up.

 
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Atheism often ignores this aspect of religion and only focuses on "muh science", without understanding the politcal and social impact it has.

I am having a hard time thinking of a good use of religion for "political impact".  Can you list some?

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This is most likely due to said atheist not having regular social contact outside certain instances.

Yeah - most/all atheists are just sad losers who need to experience the real world  ::)

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They were never exposed to the positives of religion, because they lock themselves in their room all day.

I don't recall locking myself in my room all day.  I also can see some of the positives religion offers.  It's just that it's positives (at least the positives I see in it) are just not unique to it and their are alternatives to it that do not have the unnecessary baggage along with it.

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Therefore, they tend to focus on the self indulgent part of their belief system, instead of the good of the whole.

You say atheism is a belief system.  What pronouncements does it make?

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This then leads to thoughts such as "Muh philosophy, muh star dust, muh 4 billion years".

Suck "muh" dick.

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They never got involved with their Church. They never attempted to connect spiritually. They can only focus on what they have been exposed to.

You've clearly never interacted with many atheists outside your little bubble then.  A lot of atheists used to be Christian.  I used to be.  I used to deliberately pray as a kid and teen when I was going through immense hardships.  This caricature of atheists is about as bad as labeling christians as too stupid to see their way out of religion.

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If you're an atheist, not agnostic

I'm not sure if you're doing it here, but figured I'd bring it up anyways; there is no distinction between atheist and agnostic.  They are not mutually exclusive.

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but hardcore "There is no God" atheist, Take look at your life.

Define hardcore.

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In the past 6 months have you tried to be proactive and outgoing? Have done anything besides the daily routine and watch children's cartoons?


Yeah, pretty successfully too.


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There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."

"HA, I called your opinion EDGY! That means I'm right, because you're EDGY! HAHA!"

Religion is for dopey retards with nothing real to hope for in their lives.

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I fail to see how that is at all relevant to the validity of belief.  The prominence of a belief has no correlation with whether the belief itself is true.

>Implying religion is only a belief system.
>Implying I said Christianity was true.
>Implying I said any religion was true.
>Implying I said I believed in a religion.   

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There are a lot of ways to express ideas besides religion.  It's not necessary.

Okay? Did I ever say it was the only way to express ideas and values? It's just one of the many ways, and that's important.

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Atheism has no goals.  It cannot lead to anything except "disbelief in god or gods".  You would be looking at other ideologies.


Inaction is action. Atheism does not mean you will be a Communists state, but the prevalence of Atheism allows the rise of Communism to happen easier.

It's like AIDS. AIDS doesn't kill you, it just weaken's your immune system to allow a common cold to kill you.

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As the number of people who believe in a God goes down, the quality of life goes up.


Ayy lmao, got any numbers to back that up? History would disagree with you.

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I am having a hard time thinking of a good use of religion for "political impact".  Can you list some?

Russia.

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Yeah - most/all atheists are just sad losers who need to experience the real world


At least we agree.

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It's just that it's positives are just not unique to it and their are alternatives to it that do not have the unnecessary baggage along with it.

Name one system that has done a better job of promoting and keeping together nuclear family than religion.

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You say atheism is a belief system.  What pronouncements does it make?

That higher deities or powers do not exist. No existing afterlife.

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Suck "muh" dick.

10/10 rebuttal, really fired my neurons.

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A lot of atheists used to be Christian.  I used to be.


Same bro, we're like twins.

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I used to deliberately pray as a kid and teen when I was going through immense hardships.


Proving the point I was saying earlier. I bet you didn't attend Church because you wanted to. I bet you never prayed unless your were sad or wanted something. You never tried to connect spiritually to others.  It was just there in your life, you didn't actively participate. It was crutch for your problems, but then you ignored it when things got better.

 
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This caricature of atheists is about as bad as labeling christians as too stupid to see their way out of religion.

Generalizations are based on prominent facts and behaviors.

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I'm not sure if you're doing it here, but figured I'd bring it up anyways; there is no distinction between atheist and agnostic.

ayy lmao

a·the·ism:
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disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

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a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.


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Define hardcore.



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Yeah, pretty successfully too.

Yet here you are, posting on a forum full of Weaboos and mentally ill trannies.


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There is no implying.  I explicitly said I failed to see how your first point was at all relevant.

>Implying religion is only a belief system.

What else is it?

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>Implying I said Christianity was true.
>Implying I said any religion was true.
>Implying I said I believed in a religion.
 

I didn't.  You're already super defensive.

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Okay? Did I ever say it was the only way to express ideas and values?  It's just one of the many ways, and that's important.

Why is that important?

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Inaction is action. Atheism does not mean you will be a Communists state, but the prevalence of Atheism allows the rise of Communism to happen easier.

1. Atheism is not inaction.  2.  Atheism is not political.  So it literally has nothing to do with communism. 

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It's like AIDS. AIDS doesn't kill you, it just weaken's your immune system to allow a common cold to kill you.

That would imply that there is something about atheism that leads to communism...which you said wasn't your argument.

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Ayy lmao, got any numbers to back that up? History would disagree with you.

It's simple really.  Are there more atheists in America, France, Canada, Sweden, and Britain than there were 50 years ago?  Yes.  Is medicine better than it was 50 years ago?  Yes.  Duh.

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Russia.

What about it?

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Name one system that has done a better job of promoting and keeping together nuclear family than religion

Here, I'll respond like you would

>Implying I give a shit about nuclear family
>Implying nuclear family is the only metric for positivity

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That higher deities or powers do not exist. No existing afterlife.

Where did you get this pronouncement?

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10/10 rebuttal, really fired my neurons.

Quality rebuttal for a quality post. 

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Proving the point I was saying earlier.

You misunderstood if you think that proves your point. When I said I prayed during immense hardships, it was because at the time, I truly believed he was real. 

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I bet you didn't attend Church because you wanted to.

I did actually.  I went three times a week.  But going to church because you want to isn't what defines being a "true christian" or whatever your point is you are trying to make.

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I bet you never prayed unless your were sad or wanted something.

I actually said the Lord's prayer every night.  Still, since when is it considered bad to pray when you are sad?  Or want something that's noble, like world hunger to end?  I mean, your original post didn't seem pretty serious but it just seems like you are trying to argue for the sake of getting a rise out of people. 

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You never tried to connect spiritually to others.

I can't do the impossible.

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It was just there in your life, you didn't actively participate. It was crutch for your problems, but then you ignored it when things got better.

I am tired of correcting your false narrative of my sooooooo


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Generalizations are based on prominent facts and behaviors.

First, show me some facts then that the majority of atheists are depressed losers.

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ayy lmao

a·the·ism:
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disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

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a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Maybe you should something besides a google search to see how the words are actually used.  Agnosticism deals with knowledge, atheism deals with belief.  One can hold a belief, with or without knowledge about the belief.  An atheist or theist can be agnostic/gnostic.  Agnosticism as some sort of third way is just a bullshit label closeted atheists/theists use to avoid having to defend their beliefs.  You're convinced or your not.  It's a binary question.  Believe or not believe.

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Yet here you are, posting on a forum full of Weaboos and mentally ill trannies.
And that has fuck all to do with whether I am "proactive".


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I always got a kick out of moving books from the religion section of my local library to the fiction section.

fuckin' rekt those relidiots man. I bet they were so flustered by your secular subterfuge, they just collapsed and wailed as their pathetic worldview was torn down around them.


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I always got a kick out of moving books from the religion section of my local library to the fiction section.

fuckin' rekt those relidiots man. I bet they were so flustered by your secular subterfuge, they just collapsed and wailed as their pathetic worldview was torn down around them.

You should see when I litter. Shit's brutal.


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There is no implying.  I explicitly said I failed to see how your first point was at all relevant.
What else is it?

Please refer to and read the previous posts in this thread before typing.

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Why is that important?

>Why is it important that people find outlets to express themselves through, especially those that support a nuclear family.

Ayy lmao

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2.  Atheism is not political.


Top fucking kek

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That would imply that there is something about atheism that leads to communism...which you said wasn't your argument.

Please refer to and read the previous posts in this thread before typing.

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It's simple really.  Are there more atheists in America, France, Canada, Sweden, and Britain than there were 50 years ago?  Yes.  Is medicine better than it was 50 years ago?  Yes.  Duh.

>Implying there's a correlation.

More blacks are on welfare than than 50 years ago,  and computers are better than they were 50 years ago. Obviously we need to oppress blacks through the welfare state more in order to get better computers.

Still waiting on the numbers to support your claim, meanwhile historical evidences shows that the rise of Atheism leads to change in mood of the greater populace, which allows for socialist and communist states to rise and destroy their country.

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What about it?

It's a christian nation now, instead of an atheist nation like is was during the Cold War era. Due to this, the nuclear family has grown stronger in Russia, which has allows the economy to stimulate, since people aren't dependent as much on government handouts due to having a stable family. Russia is also more in line with western values now.

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Here, I'll respond like you would

>Implying I give a shit about nuclear family
>Implying nuclear family is the only metric for positivity

>Avoiding the asked question.

Nice non-argument, got any facts with you?

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Where did you get this pronouncement?

Everyone who claims to be an atheist.

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You misunderstood if you think that proves your point. When I said I prayed during immense hardships, it was because at the time, I truly believed he was real. 

Proving my point further. You only relied on religion to focus on the negatives, never the positives.



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But going to church because you want to isn't what defines being a "true christian" or whatever your point is you are trying to make.

Someone's defensive about their beliefs. Does getting reminded about you old religion trigger you?

 Never said you weren't a true christian. Just saying chances are you never focused on religion outside of when you wanted personal gain from it.

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I actually said the Lord's prayer every night.

lmao, a child's prayer is not prayer. That's something to get your 3 year old interested.

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Still, since when is it considered bad to pray when you are sad?

It's not, and I never said it was. Turn off your projector. It's only bad if you pray only when you're sad and want something from God.

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I mean, your original post didn't seem pretty serious but it just seems like you are trying to argue for the sake of getting a rise out of people. 

It's a "I'm an edgy lefty, so if someone disagrees with me, they're a troll!11!!!!" episode. They should really stop showing reruns.

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I can't do the impossible.

>He thinks this means a literal connection

Stop watching anime, it's warped your perspective. Go outside an talk to people in the sunlight, it's quite fun.

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I am tired of correcting your false narrative of my sooooooo

So you don't deny that you only used religion for a crutch during bad times then abandoned it when it was over? Okay.

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First, show me some facts then that the majority of atheists are depressed losers.

rofl, when did I say that. You seriously need to turn off that projector dude, it's fucking bright. 


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a·the·ism:
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a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

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Maybe you should something besides a google search to see how the words are actually used.
 

>It's a "Dictionary definitions aren't real definitions, only my personal definitions are" episode.

Let me guess, you also think racism is defined as prejudice plus power?

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Agnosticism as some sort of third way is just a bullshit label closeted atheists/theists use to avoid having to defend their beliefs.


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atheists/theists

"This word is just for this type of person, or this completely other different type of person. It's not a real thing!"

ayy lmao


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You're convinced or your not.  It's a binary question.  Believe or not believe.

kek

You must be a middle-schooler  if you think an answer to a question that grandiose is just a simple yes or no.

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And that has fuck all to do with whether I am "proactive".

"I-I'm proactive guys!"

>Sits in his room arguing with some stranger on an offsite of a gaming forum full of trannies and weaboos

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Please refer to and read the previous posts in this thread before typing.

I'm not going to read an entire thread before responding.  You could have just answered the question or said you already answered it if you were being honest.

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>Why is it important that people find outlets to express themselves through

There are tons of ways to express oneself without religion.

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especially those that support a nuclear family.

What is stopping some other method from supporting a nuclear family?

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Top fucking kek

Tell me one political position of atheism.

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Please refer to and read the previous posts in this thread before typing.

Or you could just actually have a conversation instead of deflecting.

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>Implying there's a correlation.

The point of it is to show that there being more atheists doesn't make a country worse off.  Our countries are better in nearly every objective metric than 50 years ago.

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More blacks are on welfare than than 50 years ago,  and computers are better than they were 50 years ago. Obviously we need to oppress blacks through the welfare state more in order to get better computers.

Where the fuck did oppression come from out of this?  This is a shitty analogy for a few reasons.  One, we are talking about religion and it's effects on society.  You asked me to qualify my statement that since the percentage of atheists has gone up, the quality of life has gone up for people in first world countries. 

Second, oppression someone for their race does logically follow to better computers being made.  Life has improved even as more people end their faith in a belief.  It shows that that belief is not necessary for prosperity.  That was my point. 

Third, being atheist is not equivalent to being on welfare.

Still waiting on the numbers to support your claim, meanwhile historical evidences shows that the rise of Atheism leads to change in mood of the greater populace, which allows for socialist and communist states to rise and destroy their country.

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It's a christian nation now, instead of an atheist nation like is was during the Cold War era.

You have failed to establish what links atheism with communism.  I'm not going to comment on the state of Russia right now because I gotta be brief.

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Nice non-argument, got any facts with you?

Considering the point I responded to was a deflection, thank you.  You already responded to this point earlier and I responded to that.

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Everyone who claims to be an atheist.

So it's a system where the only thing everyone has in common is that they lack a belief in another system...

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Proving my point further. You only relied on religion to focus on the negatives, never the positives.
Relied on religion to focus on the negatives?  What the fuck does that even mean?  Like I said, I was active in the church community growing up.  I said the lord's prayer every night, but I never prayed for personal gain, there just were times that I pleaded for mercy and for so much to stop going wrong around.  They were never prayers of vanity.  That being said, the Bible says nothing on what you can pray about.

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But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! John 15:7 NLT
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Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. Matthew 7:7,8 NLT
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For I cried out to him for help, praising him as I spoke. Psalm 66:17 NLT
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If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:22 NIV
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So it's not like there is no precedent in the Bible about speaking to God for help.  It's actually endorsed.

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But going to church because you want to isn't what defines being a "true christian" or whatever your point is you are trying to make.

Someone's defensive about their beliefs. Does getting reminded about you old religion trigger you?

I don't see how what I said there alludes to me being triggered.

[/quote]Never said you weren't a true christian. Just saying chances are you never focused on religion outside of when you wanted personal gain from it.[/quote]

Well if you aren't saying that I wasn't a "true" or "real" Christian, then why are we arguing about how sincerely I believed and how I prayed?

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lmao, a child's prayer is not prayer. That's something to get your 3 year old interested.

Well considering I was a kid at the time, so yeah, that makes perfect sense.

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It's not, and I never said it was. Turn off your projector. It's only bad if you pray only when you're sad and want something from God.

The Bible clearly disagrees.

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But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! John 15:7 NLT
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Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives. Everyone who seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. Matthew 7:7,8 NLT
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For I cried out to him for help, praising him as I spoke. Psalm 66:17 NLT
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If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:22 NIV
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It's a "I'm an edgy lefty, so if someone disagrees with me, they're a troll!11!!!!" episode. They should really stop showing reruns.

It's not the fact you disagree with me, it's the way you go about disagreeing with me.  Using reddit/4chan speak, AYY lmaoos, trying to act like you know what I did as a Christian, etc.

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>He thinks this means a literal connection

Well considering religion teaches about a literal connection to conscious nothingness that's really not that far fetched.   I'm sure if you asked anyone in a church if they believed in literal spiritual connections, you would get a resounding yes.  I mean, these people already believing clasping their hands and talking or thinking links them to God.

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Stop watching anime, it's warped your perspective. Go outside an talk to people in the sunlight, it's quite fun.


This is what I'm talking about when I say I can't tell if you're serious.

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So you don't deny that you only used religion for a crutch during bad times then abandoned it when it was over? Okay.

The quote you are responding to is me denying that very thing.  Are you actually trying to have a conversation or just get the most facetious jabs?  That was like the third time I told you that I didn't only pray when I was in hardship.

rofl, when did I say that. You seriously need to turn off that projector dude, it's fucking bright. 

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This is most likely due to said atheist not having regular social contact outside certain instances. They were never exposed to the positives of religion, because they lock themselves in their room all day. Therefore, they tend to focus on the self indulgent part of their belief system,

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>It's a "Dictionary definitions aren't real definitions, only my personal definitions are" episode.

Dictionaries list examples of how words are used.  I would be delighted to hear you explain how someone can simultaneously not believe and not not believe.

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Let me guess, you also think racism is defined as prejudice plus power?

When I think of the word racism, I think of the traditional meaning of racial prejudice.  That said, I will not argue if someone uses the other definition, because there is nothing inherently illogical to it like claiming to not believe and not not believe simultaneously.

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"This word is just for this type of person, or this completely other different type of person. It's not a real thing!"

When people attach on the end of their definition of agnosticism that they do not believe nor not not believe is when I raise a flag.  When used appropriately I have no issue.

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ayy lmao

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You must be a middle-schooler

Using Internet speak and constantly having to slide in several personal attacks in every response just further reinforces you aren't being serious.

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if you think an answer to a question that grandiose is just a simple yes or no.

It really is that simple.  "Are you convinced there is a god?"  If your answer to this is anything but a resounding yes, then you do not believe.  Nonbelief is the logical negation of belief and the only other thing you can be.

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"I-I'm proactive guys!"

You are the off-brand version of Mordo.

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>Sits in his room arguing with some stranger on an offsite of a gaming forum full of trannies and weaboos

I don't see this as an argument, but what's wrong with arguing?  It's how people learn and share ideas.  That's what a productive community does.  Would you rather everyone here just jerked each other off? 

As far as I know, there are only two transgender people here, which I see nothing wrong with.
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>It's a "You use internet speak on the internet and aren't acting ass blasted, so you aren't serious" episode.

Call me when you find some arguments.


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Fuck, you faggots are annoying.


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Fuck, you faggots are annoying.
Hi, please don't use the word faggot, it's meaning is inseparable from the insult to gay people as a core part of their identity. Thank you.
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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Fuck, you faggots are annoying.
Hi, please don't use the word faggot, it's meaning is inseparable from the insult to gay people as a core part of their identity. Thank you.
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I was using the word correctly, faggot.


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Fuck, you faggots are annoying.
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I was using the word correctly, faggot.
Please watch the video I linked. Thank you.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
Fuck, you faggots are annoying.
Hi, please don't use the word faggot, it's meaning is inseparable from the insult to gay people as a core part of their identity. Thank you.
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I was using the word correctly, faggot.
Please watch the video I linked. Thank you.

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I neither fear, nor despise.
Who fucking cares omg

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