Quote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat
Quote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.
Quote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.
Quote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.
I haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.
But you're making an argument. Technically you're arguing with him about veganism.
No you aren't.
Quote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.No, my point is the diet is bad so you need vitamins and supplements to stay healthy. Which means the diet is unhealthy.
Quote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on June 18, 2015, 06:10:18 AMQuote"forcing ideologies" on their pets.. . . What?
Quote"forcing ideologies" on their pets.
"forcing ideologies" on their pets.
Quote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:26:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:12:00 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.No, my point is the diet is bad so you need vitamins and supplements to stay healthy. Which means the diet is unhealthy.So is only eating meat.Look at it objectively, and you'll realize my point.Except a normal diet isn't 100% meat. You eat everything.
Quote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:12:00 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.No, my point is the diet is bad so you need vitamins and supplements to stay healthy. Which means the diet is unhealthy.So is only eating meat.Look at it objectively, and you'll realize my point.
Quote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 02:21:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 02:13:29 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:26:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:12:00 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.No, my point is the diet is bad so you need vitamins and supplements to stay healthy. Which means the diet is unhealthy.So is only eating meat.Look at it objectively, and you'll realize my point.Except a normal diet isn't 100% meat. You eat everything.Yeah, so in a vegan diet you eat everything but meat.That doesn't mean that the supplements are something extra, it's just a part of your diet.You eat meat, you gain protein. You eat some pills, you gain protein.Remove meat, and replace it with supplements. What's the difference? We eat both, so it doesn't affect us much.The point is if the vegan diet was healthy, you wouldn't need supplements. People who eat meat and fish don't need supplements. Vegans do. Do the math.
Quote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 02:13:29 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:26:47 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:12:00 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 12:07:16 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 11:53:55 AMQuote from: Pendulate on June 18, 2015, 07:05:49 AMQuote from: Sᴏʟ's Sᴏɴɢ on June 18, 2015, 06:52:27 AMI haven't eaten meat in days and I've been feeling lightheaded and weak, even though I've been eating plenty of nuts.Then your diet is poorly structured. You can't eat whatever you want and expect to be healthy just because it's vegan.The vegan diet is scientifically proven to be unhealthy, and needs vitamins and supplements to be considered "healthy". Basically, you're a joke.So you're saying that everything that isn't natural<natural?If so, that's pretty dumb. It's not like vitamins are gonna disappear before store-meat, so considering most of us don't hunt for our meat it's stupid to call it natural.wat"You need vitamins and supplements"So you need to eat stuff?There's no argument there, so I'm guessing that you mean that the supplements aren't natural. I'm assuming that's your argument.No, my point is the diet is bad so you need vitamins and supplements to stay healthy. Which means the diet is unhealthy.So is only eating meat.Look at it objectively, and you'll realize my point.Except a normal diet isn't 100% meat. You eat everything.Yeah, so in a vegan diet you eat everything but meat.That doesn't mean that the supplements are something extra, it's just a part of your diet.You eat meat, you gain protein. You eat some pills, you gain protein.Remove meat, and replace it with supplements. What's the difference? We eat both, so it doesn't affect us much.
Quote from: Verbatim on June 18, 2015, 02:25:33 PMIf you consumed supplements, you wouldn't need meat.No thanks, I'll stick to a healthier source of nutrition.
If you consumed supplements, you wouldn't need meat.
Quote from: DTEDesty on June 18, 2015, 02:34:50 PMQuote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on June 18, 2015, 02:25:33 PMIf you consumed supplements, you wouldn't need meat.No thanks, I'll stick to a healthier source of nutrition.Enjoy your heart failure/possible infection because of bad meatExcept I only eat good meat.
Quote from: challengerX on June 18, 2015, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on June 18, 2015, 02:25:33 PMIf you consumed supplements, you wouldn't need meat.No thanks, I'll stick to a healthier source of nutrition.Enjoy your heart failure/possible infection because of bad meat
I don't know many vegans who are vegan for the health benefits. It's usually a morality thing.
On the off-chance that this is more than just bait and you're willing to have a real discussion:Being a vegan isn't about being healthy, necessarily. Even if being a vegan shortened my life by twenty years, I would still be a vegan. It's the ethical implications of meat-eating that I take issue with.Obviously, forcing a pet outside of its naturally-ordained diet is wrong, but it's a silly comparison, because human beings not only can survive on a vegan diet--they also have the self-control and know-how to do so.I'm not arguing just yet, though. Merely elucidating my position on the philosophy further, because you seem to be under the impression that it makes a difference to me whether veganism is healthy or not, and it frankly doesn't.
If being "inhuman" means that I'm ethical, then I'm okay with being inhuman.
Living that way is unethical
A Vegan diet is unhealthy, Verbatim
