Well they're trying to reach the demographic of young women, and this cover is an homage to when the Joker sexually assaulted Barbara Gordon. Not to mention that every other cover was nowhere near as dark as this. It just didn't fit, and the author requested it be pulled.

Sometimes, stuff is just in bad taste. This is one of those times.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 17, 2015, 08:10:43 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on March 17, 2015, 08:00:22 PM

Well they're trying to reach the demographic of young women, and this cover is an homage to when the Joker sexually assaulted Barbara Gordon. Not to mention that every other cover was nowhere near as dark as this. It just didn't fit, and the author requested it be pulled.

Sometimes, stuff is just in bad taste. This is one of those times.

Bad taste? What exactly is in "bad taste" about it?

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this cover is an homage to when the Joker sexually assaulted Barbara Gordon

This series is marketed towards young women and has apparently been pretty light-hearted so far. It's basically for teenagers, and suddenly there's this cover.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 17, 2015, 08:27:05 PM

So what you're essentially saying is female characters cannot face any kind of genuine adversary because their character biographies involved tragedy, therefore it would be in bad taste? Aren't you kind of placing female victimization on a pedestal there? I'd wager that's more sexist than depicting the actual rape if I'm being honest.

See, I didn't respond to this initially because I knew you'd make a response like this. It's just asinine. You know have I very little tolerance for SJW bullshit, so it's frustrating that you would make such a dumb response.

Obviously that is not what I'm saying at all. I have no problem with the cover being used for other series, and I have no problem with its source of inspiration. The fact remains that this is a lighthearted series for young adults, not a gritty, dark, violent series for hardcore comic fans. The cover just isn't appropriate for that mood, and it's not consistent with the themes of the series. That's it. It's not about triggering women, or protecting women from violence in the media, or anything like that. As I said from the very beginning in plain English, it's just not a good cover for the series by any means. The Killing Joke was marketed towards adults, yes. This isn't that series.

Quote from: Madman Mordo on March 17, 2015, 08:34:39 PM

Okay, but that's not why the cover was pulled though.

Yes, it was, it was pulled because of online complaints from the fanbase that recognized how poorly it fits the series. It takes a fun hero and instead strips her power and reflects an arc about her being sexual assaulted. It's a great piece of art and a brilliant homage, but the artist is out of his mind if he thinks it's a good cover for the series.

And on the other hand, there are a lot of women on Twitter talking about how it was a wrong and cowardly decision to pull the cover.

IMO, both sides are wrong in their reasoning. This cover shouldn't be pulled because it is triggering or offensive, but neither should it be kept because it shows that a) comic fans, especially the women, can handle graphic material and b)Batgirl isn't weak, or what have you. It should be pulled because it's totally inconsistent with the themes of the series.

That's it. You and anyone else turning this into a SJW debate are totally off-base and wrong.

Your own bias is hurting your argument.

You have a very bad habit of letting your hatred (yes, hatred) for SJW's cloud your judgement.

It's not just that though, it's your general attitude in every thread about SJW's. You often seem blinded by your anti-SJW sentiments, which can cloud your judgment. And that kinda shows, sometimes.

I'd suggest reading some of your own posts from a more objective point of view. It might help you realize how biased and propaganda-like they sometimes sound. Some of your posts read no different from the extremely one-sided rhetoric and propaganda used by the SJW tumblerites you detest so much, twisting facts and using certain words to appeal to emotion in an attempt to further your argument.

Rule number one to winning a "war" like this: never, ever, stoop to their level. If you have logic, facts and reason on your side, you should stick to that and get to the truth that way. Appeals to emotion, twisting facts, very loaded and biased use of words, antagonizing the other side and portraying them as the wicked and stupid enemy... That should all be beneath you.

]I wasn't specifically refering to this thread. What came to mind was the thread in Serious on an 8 year old kid being given hormone blockers. If I remember correctly, you were very eager to skew the facts to fit your argument better.

There is a fine line between colorful language and populist appeals to emotion. And as someone who's a few months away from obtaining a Master's in law and has plead trials for larger crowds, guided and instructed by amazing orators and attorneys, I can guarantee you that the best professional debaters know where to draw it.

I'm not saying I don't agree with some of the things you say, by the way. I'm just pointing out that some of your posts scream bias, propaganda and appeals to emotion, making them of the same level as your typical extreme left (or right) wing blogs / groups / tumblrs that thrive on emotion and bias to make a point. And all this does is hurt your own argument. You should not just be the bigger man in terms of facts and arguments, but also in terms of demeanor and attitude. Petty appeals to emotion, cherry picked information and biased language should be beneat you. This is all just a friendly piece of advice.