Which are you?

 
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Let's discuss some fucking metaphysics.

Which of these would you put yourself under:

Pluralism:
- There are many fundamental substances which things are reducible to.
- An example would be Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality.

Dualism:
- Mind and matter are two fundamentally different substances. Things may be reduced to the material or the mental, but neither can be reduced to the other.
- Descartes was a notable dualist.

Idealist:
- Only the mental fundamentally exists; everything, including the material, is reducible to the mental.
- Kant was a notable idealist.

Materialism:
- Only the material fundamentally exists; everything, including the mental, is reducible to the material.
- Richard Dawkins is a notable materialist.

Neutral monism:
- There is a fundamental substance which everything is reducible to, but it is neither material nor mental and both can be reduced to this neutral substance.
- David Hume was probably a notable neutral monist (this sort of monism is incredibly rare amongst philosophers).

Eliminativist Nihilism:
- There is no fundamental substance to which everything is reducible; in essence, objects do not meaningfully exist.

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In my not so educated on this opinion, materialism makes the most sense to me.


 
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I don't really know... I've never thought about it tbh and it's pretty boring but maybe dualism?


 
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Dualism, in my tragically unexercized opinion of metaphysics...

Unexercized in the sense that I'm not an ideal person to have a conversation about this with.
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Dualism is the only one that really doesn't make sense to me because it is condradicted by the fact that the mind can be altered by physical changes to the brain.

The rest are all plausible though materialism is least far-fetched.


 
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Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...
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Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...

I don't think any serious line of thought doesn't believe consciousness exists. Dualism would be to say its made out of some unknown material separate from the brain and materialism would be to say it exists in the same manner that the OS or files on a computer exist.

The rest are other hypothetical ideas, Idealism for example could be something similair to living in the Matrix.
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Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...
Funny you mentioned that.

Materialism is actually split into two camps. Eliminativists think mental processes (or a lot of them) don't actually exist, and only the physical matters. Reductionists fully acknowledge mental processes, but believe they can be firmly reduced down to the physical foundation of the brain.

In other words, eliminativists, in a sense, deny the mind.


 
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
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Reductionist Materialism for sure.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
That seems like idealism, to me.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
That seems like idealism, to me.
I do not believe that the mental realm is ultimate. It is merely another condition of action and reaction. 'The self' to which is was referring to is not mental in any way, shape, or form. It is a state of absolute nonduality in which there are no distinctions, notions, concepts, perception, or even a 'mind' to contemplate or experience these things.


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