Which are you?

 
More Than Mortal | d-d-d-DANK ✑ πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ 🌈πŸ‘
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Let's discuss some fucking metaphysics.

Which of these would you put yourself under:

Pluralism:
- There are many fundamental substances which things are reducible to.
- An example would be Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality.

Dualism:
- Mind and matter are two fundamentally different substances. Things may be reduced to the material or the mental, but neither can be reduced to the other.
- Descartes was a notable dualist.

Idealist:
- Only the mental fundamentally exists; everything, including the material, is reducible to the mental.
- Kant was a notable idealist.

Materialism:
- Only the material fundamentally exists; everything, including the mental, is reducible to the material.
- Richard Dawkins is a notable materialist.

Neutral monism:
- There is a fundamental substance which everything is reducible to, but it is neither material nor mental and both can be reduced to this neutral substance.
- David Hume was probably a notable neutral monist (this sort of monism is incredibly rare amongst philosophers).

Eliminativist Nihilism:
- There is no fundamental substance to which everything is reducible; in essence, objects do not meaningfully exist.

Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 05:21:11 PM by Meta Cognition

 
 
 
Mr. Psychologist | Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,318 posts
<.<
I'm a badgerist.


If it can have C4 stuck to it, it exists.

 
DAS B00T x2 | Cultural Appropriator
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DAS B00T x2
IP: Logged

37,910 posts
This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
In my not so educated on this opinion, materialism makes the most sense to me.

 
 
cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 | Marty Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: SoporificSlash
IP: Logged

15,844 posts
 
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.

 
challengerX | custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

42,282 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.

 
ΞšΞ‘Ξ€Ξ‘ΞΞ‘Ξ›Ξ©Ξ€Ξ—Ξ£ | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: TrussingDoor
IP: Logged

7,705 posts
"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."
-Saint Anthony the Great
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.

 
Tackel | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Tackel
IP: Logged

2,588 posts
 
Materialist



Spoiler
#MaterialistMasterRace

The Justicar | Ascended Posting Rampage
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Foxy
IP: Logged

1,228 posts
The First Justicar
I don't really know... I've never thought about it tbh and it's pretty boring but maybe dualism?

 
 
Verbatim | Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,284 posts
❧
Dualism, in my tragically unexercized opinion of metaphysics...

Unexercized in the sense that I'm not an ideal person to have a conversation about this with.
Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 08:21:19 PM by Verbatim

 
God | Ascended Posting Riot
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: Yakot
ID: God
IP: Logged

654 posts
 
Dualism is the only one that really doesn't make sense to me because it is condradicted by the fact that the mind can be altered by physical changes to the brain.

The rest are all plausible though materialism is least far-fetched.

 
 
Verbatim | Komm, süßer Tod
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: Verbatim-1
Steam: Jaco230
ID: Verbatim
IP: Logged

48,284 posts
❧
Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...
Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 08:24:12 PM by Verbatim

 
God | Ascended Posting Riot
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: Yakot
ID: God
IP: Logged

654 posts
 
Quote from: Verbatim on September 15, 2014, 08:22:43 PM
Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...

I don't think any serious line of thought doesn't believe consciousness exists. Dualism would be to say its made out of some unknown material separate from the brain and materialism would be to say it exists in the same manner that the OS or files on a computer exist.

The rest are other hypothetical ideas, Idealism for example could be something similair to living in the Matrix.
Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 08:39:49 PM by God

 
 
More Than Mortal | d-d-d-DANK ✑ πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ 🌈πŸ‘
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Quote from: Verbatim on September 15, 2014, 08:22:43 PM
Yeah, actually...

I change my mind; materialism, as long as you concede that the consciousness exists. I wouldn't think purist materialism in that sense would include consciousness in the equation, hence my decision to take dualism first...
Funny you mentioned that.

Materialism is actually split into two camps. Eliminativists think mental processes (or a lot of them) don't actually exist, and only the physical matters. Reductionists fully acknowledge mental processes, but believe they can be firmly reduced down to the physical foundation of the brain.

In other words, eliminativists, in a sense, deny the mind.

 
 
More Than Mortal | d-d-d-DANK ✑ πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ 🌈πŸ‘
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.

 
Aether | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: BirdTHUG
PSN:
Steam: Sofles_Yo
ID: DemonicChronic
IP: Logged

7,044 posts
theaetherone.deviantart.com https://www.instagram.com/aetherone/

Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
Last Edit: September 16, 2014, 02:05:53 AM by DemonicChronic

 
 
SecondClass | Carmen
 
more |
XBL:
PSN: ModernLocust
Steam:
ID: SecondClass
IP: Logged

30,147 posts
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
Reductionist Materialism for sure.
Last Edit: September 16, 2014, 02:02:36 AM by SecondClass

 
 
More Than Mortal | d-d-d-DANK ✑ πŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ 🌈πŸ‘
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on September 16, 2014, 02:00:19 AM
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
That seems like idealism, to me.

 
Aether | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: BirdTHUG
PSN:
Steam: Sofles_Yo
ID: DemonicChronic
IP: Logged

7,044 posts
theaetherone.deviantart.com https://www.instagram.com/aetherone/

Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 16, 2014, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: DemonicChronic on September 16, 2014, 02:00:19 AM
Similar to monism. .

Essentially: both the mental and physical realms are reduced down to consciousness in its purest from, that being simply 'just being,' which is the one absolute truth that supersedes all others.
That seems like idealism, to me.
I do not believe that the mental realm is ultimate. It is merely another condition of action and reaction. 'The self' to which is was referring to is not mental in any way, shape, or form. It is a state of absolute nonduality in which there are no distinctions, notions, concepts, perception, or even a 'mind' to contemplate or experience these things.

 
Nascent Email | Heroic Posting Riot
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Trojanlord
IP: Logged

824 posts