Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?

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People like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirror
Trump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.

Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.

Trump is worth 3.5 billion, how exactly has he wasted all his Daddy's money and failed at everything he does? He became the fucking president by running a joke campaign.
LOL

Why do you think he’s a puppet for the Russians dumbass. He went to them for money after nobody else would loan him any.

He's worth 5.3 billion, he doesn't need a small loan of a million dollars.
Wow 1.8 billion overnight absolutely based

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I’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.
Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.

This is some shit
Shut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfucker

Thank you
If you don’t think people who support a man who puts children in cages and denies scientifically proven climate change are radicals, I really don’t know what to tell you. Apart from calling you a dumbass motherfucker.

Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.


 
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I’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.
Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.

This is some shit
Shut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfucker

Thank you
If you don’t think people who support a man who puts children in cages and denies scientifically proven climate change are radicals, I really don’t know what to tell you. Apart from calling you a dumbass motherfucker.

Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.
It’s cute how badly you want to participate in this discussion but you just don’t have the brainpower. I’ll pray for you 🙏


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I’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.
Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.

This is some shit
Shut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfucker

Thank you
If you don’t think people who support a man who puts children in cages and denies scientifically proven climate change are radicals, I really don’t know what to tell you. Apart from calling you a dumbass motherfucker.

Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.
It’s cute how badly you want to participate in this discussion but you just don’t have the brainpower. I’ll pray for you 🙏

You seem to be reacting emotionally an awful lot there Chally.


 
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I’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.
Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.

This is some shit
Shut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfucker

Thank you
If you don’t think people who support a man who puts children in cages and denies scientifically proven climate change are radicals, I really don’t know what to tell you. Apart from calling you a dumbass motherfucker.

Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.
It’s cute how badly you want to participate in this discussion but you just don’t have the brainpower. I’ll pray for you 🙏

You seem to be reacting emotionally an awful lot there Chally.
Not really, I’m just talking shit to you and laughing at you. I never said there anything wrong with reacting emotionally at anything, the problem arises when you vote for someone out of emotion. Reactionary politics and voting on certain issues because you’re misinformed and buy into manufactured outrage. Like voting for trump thinking he’s gonna build a wall.

You’d understand this if you weren’t such a blithering moron.


 
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Yeah... I'd still waste my vote on Gary.


 
 
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I really want to agree with you but there comes a point at which you simply can no longer pretend that a person is a moderate when his or her actions completely contradict that.

Trump believes actual conspiracy theories, perpetuates them on social media and gives credence to others who do. That's not moderate.
Trump has dragged down political discourse to mockery, personal attacks, trash campaigns on social media and harassment. That's not moderate.
Trump has threatened, promised and pledged to jail political opponents after his campaign. That's not moderate.
Trump supports and pushes isolationist policies that no economist worth a damn thinks are in anyone's best interest. That's not moderate.
Trump has repeatedly shown he doesn't care for or understand basic scientific principles and consensus. That's not moderate.
Trump has waged a war on press and media, puts down the free press, calls for jail time for people who defile the flag, and has done his best to discredit reliable news outlets. That's not moderate.
Trump has repeatedly ignored his own intelligence agencies and undermined their value and credibility while accepting conspiracy theories and empty words from questionable leaders. That's not moderate.
Trump has pardoned violence among his supporters and has refused to seriously disavow himself from extremist groups supporting him. That's not moderate.
Trump has praised and supported violent dictators and opressors of human rights while attacking America's longest allies. That's not moderate.
Trump has pledged to wall off entire countries, called parts of the world "shitholes", trashed minorities and wants to massively increase the already enormous military spending. That's not moderate.
Trump has been on a crusade to remove environmental protections and go against climate change plans. That's not moderate.
Trump has literally pushed "alternative facts" since the start, had the white house publish blatant and demonstrable falsehoods, has denied easily verifiable truths and supported fake news everywhere. That's not moderate.
Trump has gotten caught up in a net of opacity, conflicts of interest, corruption, fraud, collusion and mismanagement of campaign funds, and has taken every possible step to undermine investigations and keep his doings secret. That's not moderate.
Trump has publicly changed his opinion on important issues within a matter of hours with no justification or reason to. That's not moderate.
Trump has said he doesn't just oppose abortion but wants women who have one do to actively be punished, that he wants to change defamation law so that he can sue his detractors, and that elections are rigged to the point that he wouldn't have accepted defeat had he lost to Clinton. That's not moderate.

I could keep this list going for ages, but you get the point. All of these are about as far from moderate as you can get. If you're an actual political moderate, you've got certain dealbreakers when it comes to who you support. When you care about things like facts, civil discourse and politics based on reason and mutual respect or basic human decency, there simply are people or policies you don't support. Period. There might be a thing or two on the list that you could give someone a pass on. But this is a lot. And it's not isolated events or random scandals that were fixed and apologized for. This is basically every single day of the man's campaign and presidency. And what that means is that there comes a point at which a person who looks at this laundry list of far-out and terrible policies and still says "yeah, rather this than a mild Democrat" is in no way an actual "moderate" who just so happened to vote Republican this time around. There simply is a treshold at which you can no longer support certain behaviors, policies and beliefs, and still claim in good faith that you're just a political moderate or neutral swing voter. So as much as I want to believe that Trump just managed to get the support of the "moderates" that could just as well be swayed the other way, I find it increasingly difficult to do so.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.


 
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I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.


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So as much as I want to believe that Trump just managed to get the support of the "moderates" that could just as well be swayed the other way, I find it increasingly difficult to do so.
But he did though. It's been estimated that a significant number of people that voted for Obama also voted for Trump. Is the implication that these people were really radical right-wingers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama-Trump_voters


 
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I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.
You should know what a moderate is when you’re saying a large amount of them voted for a guy who is extremely partisan and trash talks all his opposition. You’re only pointing out the flaws in your argument by continuing this notion that level headed intelligent people voted for trump. This isn’t to say people that voted for Hillary are inherently more intelligent, but there is obviously a clear cut difference here and you’re pretending it doesn’t exist.
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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.
You should know what a moderate is when you’re saying a large amount of them voted for a guy who is extremely partisan and trash talks all his opposition. You’re only pointing it the flaws in your argument by continuing this notion that level headed intelligent people voted for trump. This isn’t to say people that voted for Hillary are inherently more intelligent, but there is obviously a clear cut difference here and you’re pretending it doesn’t exist.
The way I'm trying to describe certain people that voted for Trump is that they have the capacity to vote the other way. I'm not going to act like I know what kind of people that everyone who voted for Trump are. There's no way I could ever know that. I also never stated that there's no difference between the two sides, I don't know where you're getting that from.

There are people who were and are torn between both sides of the political spectrum. I used the term moderate to describe them. Perhaps someone with that position who sided with Trump isn't moderate. Maybe they were before but the current state of things shifted them to a more partisan stance. It's just not the point of my argument, at all. What you want to label the swing voters that voted for Trump doesn't really have any bearing on fact that they exist. That is what I'm saying and have been this entire time.

I don't understand why you keep focusing on what I think a moderate actually is. No I don't feel like everyone that voted for Trump is a complete moron, I just think a lot people felt like they were driven to do something drastic, and I'm sure a lot of people have regrets over it now. I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, here. It's futile to even attempt that, especially with you and others who have such a negative opinion of Trump voters. It just doesn't matter, swing voters are still a thing, period. Call them what you want. Believe they are idiots, or don't. They still exist.

I won't even call them moderates anymore if you'll get over this weird issue you have with what I've been saying.


 
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I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.
You should know what a moderate is when you’re saying a large amount of them voted for a guy who is extremely partisan and trash talks all his opposition. You’re only pointing it the flaws in your argument by continuing this notion that level headed intelligent people voted for trump. This isn’t to say people that voted for Hillary are inherently more intelligent, but there is obviously a clear cut difference here and you’re pretending it doesn’t exist.
The way I'm trying to describe certain people that voted for Trump is that they have the capacity to vote the other way. I'm not going to act like I know what kind of people that everyone who voted for Trump are. There's no way I could ever know that. I also never stated that there's no difference between the two sides, I don't know where you're getting that from.

There are people who were and are torn between both sides of the political spectrum. I used the term moderate to describe them. Perhaps someone with that position who sided with Trump isn't moderate. Maybe they were before but the current state of things shifted them to a more partisan stance. It's just not the point of my argument, at all. What you want to label the swing voters that voted for Trump doesn't really have any bearing on fact that they exist. That is what I'm saying and have been this entire time.

I don't understand why you keep focusing on what I think a moderate actually is. No I don't feel like everyone that voted for Trump is a complete moron, I just think a lot people felt like they were driven to do something drastic, and I'm sure a lot of people have regrets over it now. I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, here. It's futile to even attempt that, especially with you and others who have such a negative opinion of Trump voters. It just doesn't matter, swing voters are still a thing, period. Call them what you want. Believe they are idiots, or don't. They still exist.

I won't even call them moderates anymore if you'll get over this weird issue you have with what I've been saying.
They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.
Alright, whatever man, Trump voters are a radical moronic cult of bigots. I still think it's a terrible idea for a party to be insulting to the voters.


 
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They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.
Alright, whatever man, Trump voters are a radical moronic cult of bigots. I still think it's a terrible idea for a party to be insulting to the voters.
What exactly do you think trump voters are? Did your mom vote for him or some shit?

Whoever it is you feel the need to defend, they’re ignorant and misinformed. I’m not saying this makes them bad people, or deserving of insults. I never said I agree with any politicians insulting anybody or Hillary’s “deplorable” comment. But you need to realize people that voted for trump are not really people that are going to vote democrat, nor are they that large of a group. People that voted for Obama expecting radical change were imbecilic then and they still are now for thinking trump would deliver on that because he’s an “outsider” when he’s another rich kid in bed with everyone.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.
Alright, whatever man, Trump voters are a radical moronic cult of bigots. I still think it's a terrible idea for a party to be insulting to the voters.
What exactly do you think trump voters are? Did your mom vote for him or some shit?

Whoever it is you feel the need to defend, they’re ignorant and misinformed. I’m not saying this makes them bad people, or deserving of insults. I never said I agree with any politicians insulting anybody or Hillary’s “deplorable” comment. But you need to realize people that voted for trump are not really people that are going to vote democrat, nor are they that large of a group. People that voted for Obama expecting radical change were imbecilic then and they still are now for thinking trump would deliver on that because he’s an “outsider” when he’s another rich kid in bed with everyone.
Trump voters can defend themselves. The only thing I was defending in this thread was the value of civility.

And what are you talking about "the people that voted for trump aren't that large of a group?" Nearly half of the country voted for him. Are you trying to say that the swing voters that voted for Trump aren't that large of a group? I don't know how big exactly that group is but I'm willing to bet it's at least in the millions considering the percentage of voters that are swing voters. Maybe that isn't all that significant to you but you also have to consider the potential voters that abstained or the independent/third party voters that may be turned away from any side that starts doing away with civility.

It's just not good for democrats to be attacking the voting base, and we shouldn't be tossing out values like civility just to beat the other side, especially if it's likely going to make things worse for your side. Acting with incivility is just going to further radicalize our society and drive a wedge deeper between it. It's not a good thing, at all.

That's what I'm saying here, and it seems like you at least understand that point, though you may not entirely agree; I'm not sure. I didn't post in this thread to tell anyone that their idea of who Trump voters are is wrong. If I actually wanted to defend them then I would've said a lot more than just, "I don't see them the same way as you."
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Trump voters can defend themselves. The only thing I was defending in this thread was the value of civility.
That’s what you’re disguising it as, but you seem to be forgetting the only party that’s really throwing civility down the well right now are the republicans and specifically the trump republicans.

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And what are you talking about "the people that voted for trump aren't that large of a group?" Nearly half of the country voted for him. Are you trying to say that the swing voters that voted for Trump aren't that large of a group? I don't know how big exactly that group is but I'm willing to bet it's at least in the millions considering the percentage of voters that are swing voters. Maybe that isn't all that significant to you but you also have to consider the potential voters that abstained or the independent/third party voters that may be turned away from any side that starts doing away with civility.
Turnout really wasn’t that high in general, so I mean exactly what I mean. I’m not sure why you think the key to a Democrat victory is trying to persuade trump voters. And how a few blunt remarks are what got trump his victory. Hillary and the DNC bullying Bernie out of the election is what helped trump.

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It's just not good for democrats to be attacking the voting base, and we shouldn't be tossing out values like civility just to beat the other side, especially if it's likely going to make things worse for your side. Acting with incivility is just going to further radicalize our society and drive a wedge deeper between it. It's not a good thing, at all.
You say that but honestly what I’m seeing is a lot of people asking for a tough democrat candidate that isn’t “part of the club”.

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That's what I'm saying here, and it seems like you at least understand that point, though you may not entirely agree; I'm not sure. I didn't post in this thread to tell anyone that their idea of who Trump voters are is wrong. If I actually wanted to defend them then I would've said a lot more than just, "I don't see them the same way as you."
No offense, but I’m not really concerned with how you see trump voters. I think these people’s actions and words show the world exactly the type of people they are.


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What are you talking about? What would I even need to disguise? And I never claimed that either party was more or less civilized than the other. It's fine if you don't care how I feel about Trump supporters because I haven't been trying to defend them or change your opinion of them. I specifically said that it would be a futile effort to attempt that, so I wouldn't bother with it.

I said why I thought advocating for incivility was a bad idea in both a practical and principled sense. That's all I was ever trying to say in this thread, there's nothing more to it. I think it's a bad idea for the left to embrace it, I think it's a bad idea for the right to embrace it, I think it's bad that Trump is embracing it, and I wish more politicians would try to maintain values like civility that sustain our society. Agree or disagree. It's whatever at this point.


 
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“I’m not a radical I swear”


 
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“I’m not a radical I swear”

I didn't say I wasn't a radical.

People who support Trump are often preemptively covering their own asses for predatory behaviour, racism, and/or greed. The rest are either stupid or just under a great misapprehension.


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I've never met a single Trump supporter who was also a good person.

“I’m not a radical I swear”

I didn't say I wasn't a radical.

People who support Trump are often preemptively covering their own asses for predatory behaviour, racism, and/or greed. The rest are either stupid or just under a great misapprehension.

Characterizing half the country as racists without a good bone in their body just because of how they voted on a single election is a bit far don’t you think


 
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I've never met a single Trump supporter who was also a good person.

“I’m not a radical I swear”

I didn't say I wasn't a radical.

People who support Trump are often preemptively covering their own asses for predatory behaviour, racism, and/or greed. The rest are either stupid or just under a great misapprehension.

Characterizing half the country as racists without a good bone in their body just because of how they voted on a single election is a bit far don’t you think

I love how you focus on race. I didn't say all Trump supporters were racist; most of them are sure, but the rest are either genuinely unintelligent or misinformed and guillible. I know good people who [would have] voted for Trump, but I do not know good people who support Trump. It's not about who you voted for, it's about who you support on a day-to-day basis. You're not a good person if you support an administration that separates young children from their families and locks them in cages. You're not a good person if you support an administration that enables sexual misconduct. There are lots of people who deeply regret their vote for Donald Trump, either thinking he was some democratic sleeper agent or that none of his policies would get through or he would drop out of his own accord. I think these people were wishfully thinking and ignorant; that doesn't make them bad people. But we didn't have a taste of Trump's governing style before 2016's election. Now that we do, I think decent people everywhere have an obligation to vote against him. There's no excuse this time.
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I've never met a single Trump supporter who was also a good person.

“I’m not a radical I swear”

I didn't say I wasn't a radical.

People who support Trump are often preemptively covering their own asses for predatory behaviour, racism, and/or greed. The rest are either stupid or just under a great misapprehension.

Characterizing half the country as racists without a good bone in their body just because of how they voted on a single election is a bit far don’t you think
>thinking 50% of Americans support trump
>thinking 100% of Americans voted
>trump actually lost the popular vote

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At the end of the day, let's all remind ourselves that Snake is >a fucking leaf and probably never has met a trump voter in person.

I tried already, Chally just got back to the US too.


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I think Eli touched on a pretty good point though. It's not necessarily that people who voted for Trump are terrible people, just those that continue to support him two years into this shit show.