Quote from: Aether on October 11, 2018, 01:53:21 PMSaying that absolutely no one who voted for Trump would have voted for Hillary is an absolute.So why didn’t they? Why did they all vote for trump?QuoteMy point about moderates is based on the fact that swing voters exist, and traditionally always have. Both sides are moving away from each other and the percentage of swing voters is declining, but they still count. Trump was able to sway a lot of them to his side when he embraced a populist campaign.LOLThe crazy shit he was saying was not populist. He was appealing to bigoted and fearful whites, which this country is full of. That’s how he won, as well as self hating minorities that want to be white.QuoteI'm not trying to say Hillary would've been able to win somehow by swaying swing voters. I think she was an awful candidate with way too much controversial baggage, and she made a huge mistake by insulting voters and playing the game of identity politics. What I'm saying is the left needs a candidate that can actually attract moderates.Where were all these moderates when trump was elected? How can you look at trump as a “moderate” and say hmm, this guy is better than Hillary.
Saying that absolutely no one who voted for Trump would have voted for Hillary is an absolute.
My point about moderates is based on the fact that swing voters exist, and traditionally always have. Both sides are moving away from each other and the percentage of swing voters is declining, but they still count. Trump was able to sway a lot of them to his side when he embraced a populist campaign.
I'm not trying to say Hillary would've been able to win somehow by swaying swing voters. I think she was an awful candidate with way too much controversial baggage, and she made a huge mistake by insulting voters and playing the game of identity politics. What I'm saying is the left needs a candidate that can actually attract moderates.
All I ever heard Trump talking about in his campaign was, "Jobs jobs jobs," and , "we need better immigration control."
Which a huge percentage of the population obviously cares about or they wouldn't have voted for him. What makes an issue populist if not being something that a giant portion of the average population cares about? You can have both left populist ideas like healthcare for all, or right populist ideas like stronger immigration laws.
I don't want to get into how awful Trump is and how vile everyone who voted for him is. Whatever idea you have of half of this country isn't something I'm gonna change anytime soon and it's not really useful to the point I was making.
All I'm trying to say is that there are people who voted for Trump who will vote the other way, Democrats need to appeal to those people, and they aren't going to do it by being insulting to them.
If all you want to reply back to that now is, "every Trump voter is far right," then I don't really have anything else to discuss here.
When Hillary cheated to beat Bernie is when the Democrats lost the election. She had no right to be in the running.
Quote from: Eli on October 11, 2018, 12:47:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 12:41:17 PMMaybe for Bernie, but he was so weak How exactly was he weak? From what I've seen he ran a really respectable campaign and seemed much "stronger" than Clinton.Personally I lost all respect for him when he let those two fatass BLM girls take the mic from him at one of his speeches.
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 12:41:17 PMMaybe for Bernie, but he was so weak How exactly was he weak? From what I've seen he ran a really respectable campaign and seemed much "stronger" than Clinton.
Maybe for Bernie, but he was so weak
People like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirror
I’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.
Quote from: maverick on October 11, 2018, 03:46:36 PMI’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.idiots, in other wordsradicals, idiots, or radical idiots: trump's voterbase
Quote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:07:03 PMQuote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.Maybe they’re just tired of people like you telling them everything is their fault for being white
Quote from: maverick on October 11, 2018, 03:46:36 PMI’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:10:05 PMQuote from: maverick on October 11, 2018, 03:46:36 PMI’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.This is some shit
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:07:03 PMQuote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.Trump is worth 3.5 billion, how exactly has he wasted all his Daddy's money and failed at everything he does? He became the fucking president by running a joke campaign.
Quote from: Dietrich Six on October 11, 2018, 09:30:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:07:03 PMQuote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.Trump is worth 3.5 billion, how exactly has he wasted all his Daddy's money and failed at everything he does? He became the fucking president by running a joke campaign.LOL Why do you think he’s a puppet for the Russians dumbass. He went to them for money after nobody else would loan him any.
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 09:56:31 PMQuote from: Dietrich Six on October 11, 2018, 09:30:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:07:03 PMQuote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.Trump is worth 3.5 billion, how exactly has he wasted all his Daddy's money and failed at everything he does? He became the fucking president by running a joke campaign.LOL Why do you think he’s a puppet for the Russians dumbass. He went to them for money after nobody else would loan him any.No one has found connection with Trump and the Russians. Don't believe in mainstrean media propaganda.
Trump is def in bed with the Russians That’s why we bombed Syria, expelled their diplomats, and put even more sanctions on them
Quote from: Dietrich Six on October 11, 2018, 09:26:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:10:05 PMQuote from: maverick on October 11, 2018, 03:46:36 PMI’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.This is some shitShut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfucker
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 09:55:10 PMQuote from: Dietrich Six on October 11, 2018, 09:26:33 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:10:05 PMQuote from: maverick on October 11, 2018, 03:46:36 PMI’d hardly consider every Trump voter a radical. If you remember back to 2016, basically all the Trump supporters on this website were just a bunch of floodposters that wouldn’t ever respond when challenged on it. That’s basically how I view a large chunk of his voters: they may not necessarily agree with him or know why they voted for him, they just did it anyways.Yeah... that’s what makes people radicals. Uninformed and quick to jump to conclusions on issues they know nothing about. They base all their opinions on emotion.This is some shitShut your faggot ass up boy. Dumbass motherfuckerThank you
Quote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 09:56:31 PMQuote from: Dietrich Six on October 11, 2018, 09:30:40 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 11, 2018, 04:07:03 PMQuote from: Rescue on October 11, 2018, 03:11:17 PMPeople like Challenger who have no ability to comprehend why some people may see things differently and then characterize them as stupid sheep who are beneath him is ironically funny and already have their answers if they would bother to look in a mirrorTrump voters literally are stupid sheep. You’re voting for some rich kid who wasted all of his dads money and failed in everything he tried to do, and he’s working for the Russians. He’s not some average joe who became president.Beyond that I don’t give a fuck what you “think” about.Trump is worth 3.5 billion, how exactly has he wasted all his Daddy's money and failed at everything he does? He became the fucking president by running a joke campaign.LOL Why do you think he’s a puppet for the Russians dumbass. He went to them for money after nobody else would loan him any.He's worth 5.3 billion, he doesn't need a small loan of a million dollars.