I'm trying to get a clue at the kind of politics here. You guys seem to be very anti-feminist, which is closely connected to the LGBT movement, but you guys also happen to be very libertarian, which makes it unpredictable where you guys would stand on this issue. So on the topic of gay marriage where do you guys fall? Personally, I think I'm becoming more okay with the concept as time passes. I used to be against gay marriage however, because I didn't really see it as the most ethical thing you can do for the children growing up in a mono-gender parent family. But I'm still left with a few lingering questions. Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders? Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays? Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

If you have strong opinions, please do your best to control them. You need to keep in mind others may have strong opinions as well.

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays?

Of course it does.

Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

Yes we can.

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

Gay marriage doesn't even need discussion. Of course those of the same gender should be able to marry.

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:48:55 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

I'd love to see these 'studies'

http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

The fact that the author is explicitly pro-family-values and religious casts doubt on its validity.

There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.

There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.

Of course not.

Biases are a result of values, which necessarily precede facts. It's just fortunate for science that it promotes the values which most closely track reality.

A bias toward following the evidence is nowhere near as intolerable as a bias for finding evidence to support your assertions in a dogmatic way.

I try to disregard such terms anyway so...

Totally for it. Psychologists agree that there's no real negatives imposed on an adoptive child for just having two parents of the same gender.
Churches shouldn't have to marry anyone they disagree with, be it gay, or even interracial marriage, but a government official should not be able to refuse to marry any couple that may be legally wed.

I hate ALL marriage, government shouldn't be involved at all. If consenting adults, whether it be one man marrying 30 different women or any other combination, contractually agree to something I don't care what they call the contract.

I've come to terms with accepting that my anti-marriage sentiments are just fantastic dreams.

Homosexuality is a sin, yo

I don't understand why people have such a big problem with it. It doesn't affect them in the slightest.

Don't you know OP?

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

#JustLikeBnet

Quote from: PSU on October 12, 2014, 09:42:06 AM

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

#JustLikeBnet

Craig was not banned for having a different opinion or posting a controversial topic.

End of story.

It was obviously a joke. Stop taking yourself so seriously its a forum.

End of story.