What is the general consensus on gay marriage here?

Craig Rock · October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

I'm trying to get a clue at the kind of politics here. You guys seem to be very anti-feminist, which is closely connected to the LGBT movement, but you guys also happen to be very libertarian, which makes it unpredictable where you guys would stand on this issue. So on the topic of gay marriage where do you guys fall? Personally, I think I'm becoming more okay with the concept as time passes. I used to be against gay marriage however, because I didn't really see it as the most ethical thing you can do for the children growing up in a mono-gender parent family. But I'm still left with a few lingering questions. Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders? Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays? Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

If you have strong opinions, please do your best to control them. You need to keep in mind others may have strong opinions as well.

Korra · October 11, 2014, 05:43:58 PM

I'm okay with gay marriage.

More Than Mortal · October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

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Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays?

Of course it does.

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Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

Yes we can.

Alternative Facts · October 11, 2014, 05:47:18 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?

Does this question equally apply to single parents?

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Does it encroach upon religious freedom to force churches to marry gays?

Nope. None of the laws, to my understanding, explicitly require all churches to perform the ceremonies - it allows churches who wish to, and government offices, to do so.

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM

Can we really redefine marriage without it losing its merit?

Marriage used to be, and in some places of the world continues to be, a simple economic transaction. You give me four cows, and you can marry my daughter.

Marriage has been redefined through the ages. This change is no different.

Craig Rock · October 11, 2014, 05:48:55 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.

I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

Alternative Facts · October 11, 2014, 05:50:04 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:48:55 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

I'd love to see these 'studies'

gats · October 11, 2014, 05:51:50 PM

Gay marriage doesn't even need discussion. Of course those of the same gender should be able to marry.

More Than Mortal · October 11, 2014, 05:52:19 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:48:55 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

And yet major psychological associations don't condone these findings. The empirics is on the side of homosexuals, here.

Craig Rock · October 11, 2014, 05:52:43 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 11, 2014, 05:50:04 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:48:55 PM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 11, 2014, 05:46:18 PM
Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
Is it anti-scientific to ignore the needs of a child to have two parents of both genders?
It's anti-scientific to posit that. The consensus is that homosexual parents are equally capable.
I've seen studies that actually argue the opposite.

I'd love to see these 'studies'

http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

Alternative Facts · October 11, 2014, 05:55:43 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:52:43 PM

http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

Before I even look at your study, let me take a look at the "About Us" page for the website you linked.

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Cornerstone Family Council exists to protect and strengthen the traditional family and restore time-honored principles to the roles of family, church, and government.

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we promote pro-family values in Idaho

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In presenting reputable research on a variety of topics, we make the case for pro-life, pro-family, social conservative values in Idaho.

And from the "Our Principles" page...

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Marriage
We believe that marriage was intended by God to be a life-long relationship between one man and one woman. Such marriages best promote the nurturing and equipping of children and provide the foundation for a healthy, enduring society.

So, I'm curious as to how these study is non-biased, scientific, and reputable.

More Than Mortal · October 11, 2014, 05:58:36 PM

Quote from: Craig Rock on October 11, 2014, 05:52:43 PM

I can't stay to argue because my wife should be back from her errand soon and I promised to watch a movie with her, but this is one of the studies I'm referring to.

The fact that the author is explicitly pro-family-values and religious casts doubt on its validity.

Flee · October 11, 2014, 06:01:01 PM

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PSU · October 11, 2014, 06:19:28 PM

There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.

RustingFloor · October 11, 2014, 06:20:41 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 11, 2014, 06:19:28 PM

There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.

More Than Mortal · October 11, 2014, 06:22:04 PM

Quote from: PSU on October 11, 2014, 06:19:28 PM

There is no such thing as an unbiased study. get over it libtards.

Of course not.

Biases are a result of values, which necessarily precede facts. It's just fortunate for science that it promotes the values which most closely track reality.

A bias toward following the evidence is nowhere near as intolerable as a bias for finding evidence to support your assertions in a dogmatic way.

Yu · October 11, 2014, 06:34:37 PM

Its fine.

Ásgeirr · October 11, 2014, 06:41:19 PM

I try to disregard such terms anyway so...

Mordo · October 11, 2014, 06:50:55 PM

ITT: People taking the blatant bait.

DAS B00T x2 · October 11, 2014, 06:53:29 PM

Totally for it. Psychologists agree that there's no real negatives imposed on an adoptive child for just having two parents of the same gender.
Churches shouldn't have to marry anyone they disagree with, be it gay, or even interracial marriage, but a government official should not be able to refuse to marry any couple that may be legally wed.

Camnator · October 11, 2014, 06:58:03 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · October 11, 2014, 07:00:29 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 11, 2014, 06:58:03 PM

I hate ALL marriage, government shouldn't be involved at all. If consenting adults, whether it be one man marrying 30 different women or any other combination, contractually agree to something I don't care what they call the contract.

I've come to terms with accepting that my anti-marriage sentiments are just fantastic dreams.

Mad Max · October 11, 2014, 08:34:49 PM

Holy shit, what did I miss here that OP got teh banz?

SecondClass · October 11, 2014, 08:36:49 PM

Homosexuality is a sin, yo

Erives · October 12, 2014, 02:09:47 AM

Im ok with gay marriage. People are allowed to be with anyone they want or can stand them.

ಠ_ಠ · October 12, 2014, 02:20:55 AM

Classic Dustbin thread. Good job taking the bait guys.
Still, it had decent discussion value.

big dog · October 12, 2014, 02:37:42 AM

I don't understand why people have such a big problem with it. It doesn't affect them in the slightest.

BrenMan 94 · October 12, 2014, 06:41:50 AM

I don't care.

Government shouldn't be dealing in marriage, anyway.

PSU · October 12, 2014, 09:42:06 AM

Don't you know OP?

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

#JustLikeBnet

Alternative Facts · October 12, 2014, 11:14:19 AM

Quote from: PSU on October 12, 2014, 09:42:06 AM

You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

#JustLikeBnet

Craig was not banned for having a different opinion or posting a controversial topic.

End of story.

PSU · October 12, 2014, 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 12, 2014, 11:14:19 AM

Quote from: PSU on October 12, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
You can't have a different opinion than the mods or you'll be banned.

#JustLikeBnet

Craig was not banned for having a different opinion or posting a controversial topic.

End of story.

It was obviously a joke. Stop taking yourself so seriously its a forum.

End of story.