US bans trans fats

Turkey · June 16, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

No, not obese Bruce Jenners.

In 3 years, companies are expected to have reformulated their food products to exclude trans fats. Trans fats are the "bad fats", in the sense that they are solid at room temperature and pose a significant health risk to consumers. Heart disease is the leading cause of death here, so I'm actually totally behind this long-awaited ban.

Specific foods will require petitions to be approved for trans fat ingredients. I'm thinking this will include things like butter or lard.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-16/u-s-bans-trans-fat-in-a-boost-for-palm-oil-and-a-blow-for-pie

DAS B00T x2 · June 16, 2015, 04:34:56 PM

I'm all for potentially healthier standards from the FDA, but like, if we're banning trans fats for these reasons, why do we still let people smoke?

challengerX · June 16, 2015, 04:39:33 PM

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Turkey · June 16, 2015, 04:40:08 PM

Quote from: B00T, DAS U. VIIC on June 16, 2015, 04:34:56 PM

I'm all for potentially healthier standards from the FDA, but like, if we're banning trans fats for these reasons, why do we still let people smoke?

I imagine it has something to do with the average consumer not necessarily being aware of all the trans fats in their food, whereas cigarettes are notoriously dangerous and there's no question of how unhealthy each cigarette is.

Mordo · June 16, 2015, 05:02:25 PM

Hopefully transniggers will be next.

June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM

Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.

challengerX · June 16, 2015, 05:21:26 PM

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June 16, 2015, 05:22:53 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 16, 2015, 05:21:26 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.
Oh fuck off. This isn't even remotely that type of a thing at all. It's not like people willingly put transfats into their food and now they're being oppressed by the evil government.

Banning any substance that people willingly put into their bodies is morally wrong. If we had better labeling laws, then people would know what's in their food and would be able to make their own informed decision. That's the utopia, not banning anything that's remotely harmful.

challengerX · June 16, 2015, 05:24:46 PM

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June 16, 2015, 05:27:33 PM

I don't think I've ever said "oppression" in any of my arguments. No one's being oppressed, but that doesn't give the government the right to ban things that people willingly consume. I know plenty of people who choose to put trans fats in their food, too, so you can't even say that nobody does it. The simple fact of the matter is that the only person who can decide what you can and can't consume is you. I don't care if my viewpoint is obnoxious, it's still what I believe.

challengerX · June 16, 2015, 05:44:35 PM

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Kitsune 狐 · June 16, 2015, 06:28:46 PM

Hooray now they're gonna pump their products with more cancer causing chemicals to cheaply replace the "bad" trans fat.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 16, 2015, 06:40:31 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 16, 2015, 06:40:53 PM

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ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 16, 2015, 06:43:31 PM

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Word Wizard · June 16, 2015, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: Door on June 16, 2015, 06:43:31 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 16, 2015, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 16, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.
Oh fuck off. This isn't even remotely that type of a thing at all. It's not like people willingly put transfats into their food and now they're being oppressed by the evil government.
Banning any substance that people willingly put into their bodies is morally wrong. If we had better labeling laws, then people would know what's in their food and would be able to make their own informed decision. That's the utopia, not banning anything that's remotely harmful.
Bro, nobody willfully puts transfats into their foods. We just buy food with transfats because we don't know it has it and we don't really care enough to not buy the product.

It's not something we willfully do that's being taken from us. Fuck off with your obnoxious oppression complex.
if you would read the fucking label you'd know, faggot

This is the fault of people too dumb to be responsible consumers, nobody else.

If the amount of trans fat in a serving is below a gram, companies can advertise it as having 0 trans fat. At most, it's recommended no more than 2g of trans fat a day, preferably 0. If some were to have multiple servings with 1/2 a gram that would go over the allowance. They should at least tighten the label recommondations.

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Septy · June 16, 2015, 07:18:01 PM

Long overdue

DAS B00T x2 · June 16, 2015, 07:23:58 PM

Quote from: Door on June 16, 2015, 06:40:31 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on June 16, 2015, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: B00T, DAS U. VIIC on June 16, 2015, 04:34:56 PM
I'm all for potentially healthier standards from the FDA, but like, if we're banning trans fats for these reasons, why do we still let people smoke?

I imagine it has something to do with the average consumer not necessarily being aware of all the trans fats in their food, whereas cigarettes are notoriously dangerous and there's no question of how unhealthy each cigarette is.
so run a fucking media campaign like with smoking, fuck

I don't want my tax money wasted on billboards and tv ads of cardiac arrest.

ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ · June 16, 2015, 07:34:36 PM

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Sandtrap · June 16, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM

Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.

Yeah but class.

You're not a fan of monsanto and all those fucks who dump pesticides into their crops. And, I'd bet, if you had your way in the matter, you'd catapault those folks into the sun.

But put an embargo on them and suddenly you're breaching people's rights?

Think about it. Remove trans fats. What happens?

Oh wait they just put other normal, less destructive fats and shit in there because they can. Because that's normal.

Sometimes there's a right and wrong way to do things. Are you really going to argue against stopping somebody from eating toxic shit in their food when it can just as easily be replaced with regular healthier shit?

Sandtrap · June 16, 2015, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Sly Instinct on June 16, 2015, 06:52:52 PM

Quote from: Door on June 16, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 16, 2015, 05:24:46 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: challengerX on June 16, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.
Oh fuck off. This isn't even remotely that type of a thing at all. It's not like people willingly put transfats into their food and now they're being oppressed by the evil government.
Banning any substance that people willingly put into their bodies is morally wrong. If we had better labeling laws, then people would know what's in their food and would be able to make their own informed decision. That's the utopia, not banning anything that's remotely harmful.
Bro, nobody willfully puts transfats into their foods. We just buy food with transfats because we don't know it has it and we don't really care enough to not buy the product.

It's not something we willfully do that's being taken from us. Fuck off with your obnoxious oppression complex.
if you would read the fucking label you'd know, faggot

This is the fault of people too dumb to be responsible consumers, nobody else.
If the amount of trans fat in a serving is below a gram, companies can advertise it as having 0 trans fat. At most, it's recommended no more than 2g of trans fat a day, preferably 0. If some were to have multiple servings with 1/2 a gram that would go over the allowance. They should at least tighten the label recommondations.

Don't forget the technical loophole of "natural flavors/elements."

There's somebody who comes into my restaurant who's alergic to some kind of shit they put in food. So they ask if the cinamon buns being sold has that stuff in it.

We figure, no. So they go and eat it. And they get an allergic reaction. So, I did some research.

In the cinamon, in the label, the particular ingredient that the person was allergic to, wasn't listed. But, I did a broader search and found that under the "natural ingrediants" category the company stuffed a shitload of hidden stuff into it.

One of that being the ingredient my customer was allergic to.

June 16, 2015, 11:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on June 16, 2015, 11:02:20 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.

Yeah but class.

You're not a fan of monsanto and all those fucks who dump pesticides into their crops. And, I'd bet, if you had your way in the matter, you'd catapault those folks into the sun.

But put an embargo on them and suddenly you're breaching people's rights?

Think about it. Remove trans fats. What happens?

Oh wait they just put other normal, less destructive fats and shit in there because they can. Because that's normal.

Sometimes there's a right and wrong way to do things. Are you really going to argue against stopping somebody from eating toxic shit in their food when it can just as easily be replaced with regular healthier shit?

Monsanto does these things without anyone knowing, that's the problem. If I want to go buy a gallon of trans fats and smear it all over my salad, I should have every right to do so.

It's all about consent. I don't consent to Monsanto putting shit all over my foods and then selling them in stores like they're normal fruits and vegetables. If they were forced to put a big label on their shitty crops, it would be much, much, less of a big deal. The ideal world isn't where everything bad is banned. The ideal world is where bad things are clearly labeled as such, and people can knowingly choose to still eat them.

Sandtrap · June 16, 2015, 11:33:19 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 11:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on June 16, 2015, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.

Yeah but class.

You're not a fan of monsanto and all those fucks who dump pesticides into their crops. And, I'd bet, if you had your way in the matter, you'd catapault those folks into the sun.

But put an embargo on them and suddenly you're breaching people's rights?

Think about it. Remove trans fats. What happens?

Oh wait they just put other normal, less destructive fats and shit in there because they can. Because that's normal.

Sometimes there's a right and wrong way to do things. Are you really going to argue against stopping somebody from eating toxic shit in their food when it can just as easily be replaced with regular healthier shit?
Monsanto does these things without anyone knowing, that's the problem. If I want to go buy a gallon of trans fats and smear it all over my salad, I should have every right to do so.

It's all about consent. I don't consent to Monsanto putting shit all over my foods and then selling them in stores like they're normal fruits and vegetables. If they were forced to put a big label on their shitty crops, it would be much, much, less of a big deal. The ideal world isn't where everything bad is banned. The ideal world is where bad things are clearly labeled as such, and people can knowingly choose to still eat them.

Here's a question.

Let's say that right now that bill is passed. Trans fats get nuked from foods. But, let's say there's a market and people start seeling trans fats.

If your food had trans fat forcefully removed from it without your consent, are you, right now, telling me that you would go to the store, buy a big fucking barrel of trans fat and slather it into your food just because it was taken away?

Sandtrap · June 16, 2015, 11:41:24 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 11:17:41 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on June 16, 2015, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: SecondClass on June 16, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Ridiculous. People have a fucking right to put whatever the hell they want to in their bodies. We should be pursuing forced labeling laws, not this nanny state bullshit.

Yeah but class.

You're not a fan of monsanto and all those fucks who dump pesticides into their crops. And, I'd bet, if you had your way in the matter, you'd catapault those folks into the sun.

But put an embargo on them and suddenly you're breaching people's rights?

Think about it. Remove trans fats. What happens?

Oh wait they just put other normal, less destructive fats and shit in there because they can. Because that's normal.

Sometimes there's a right and wrong way to do things. Are you really going to argue against stopping somebody from eating toxic shit in their food when it can just as easily be replaced with regular healthier shit?
Monsanto does these things without anyone knowing, that's the problem. If I want to go buy a gallon of trans fats and smear it all over my salad, I should have every right to do so.

It's all about consent. I don't consent to Monsanto putting shit all over my foods and then selling them in stores like they're normal fruits and vegetables. If they were forced to put a big label on their shitty crops, it would be much, much, less of a big deal. The ideal world isn't where everything bad is banned. The ideal world is where bad things are clearly labeled as such, and people can knowingly choose to still eat them.

Hold the phone class. Head's not working right tonight. Would try to have a discussion here but I can't.

Anyway. Put trans fat in your food if you want.

Not like you can't get a hold of it even if they ban it.

DAS B00T x2 · June 17, 2015, 04:48:43 AM

Ya know, I'm pretty sure you'll still be able to buy a tub of Crisco, you just like, wont have any partially hydrogenated oils in your Doritos.

I'm okay with this.

Flee · June 17, 2015, 06:18:39 AM

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Deleted · June 17, 2015, 09:52:25 AM

Now we can focus on deporting all of the public smokers to ISIS controlled areas