Quote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:28:54 PM logical suggestion>CCW >College party>guns>alcohol>GUNS AND ALCOHOL
logical suggestion
CCWThere you go. Concealed carry, only person who knows there is a gun is the person carrying. Nobody else does. People also attend parties all the time while carrying and very little does something go wrong
The community service joke was on point though. Props.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on November 20, 2014, 07:38:54 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:28:54 PM logical suggestion>CCW >College party>guns>alcohol>GUNS AND ALCOHOLCCWThere you go. Concealed carry, only person who knows there is a gun is the person carrying. Nobody else does. People also attend parties all the time while carrying and very little does something go wrong
Quote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:48:09 PMCCWThere you go. Concealed carry, only person who knows there is a gun is the person carrying. Nobody else does. People also attend parties all the time while carrying and very little does something go wrongThe few frats near you do not represent all the frats. Add in drugs to the alcohol, and having a firearm only adds to the problem. I'd advocate pepper spray or something such as that before adding a gun to this volatile equation.
Quote from: IcyWind on November 20, 2014, 07:49:42 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:48:09 PMCCWThere you go. Concealed carry, only person who knows there is a gun is the person carrying. Nobody else does. People also attend parties all the time while carrying and very little does something go wrongThe few frats near you do not represent all the frats. Add in drugs to the alcohol, and having a firearm only adds to the problem. I'd advocate pepper spray or something such as that before adding a gun to this volatile equation.Ok, you realize that a person with a gun isn't some idiot, correct? To get a CCW you have to realize that you can't drink heavly while having a gun on your person. A person carrying knows far better and is the reason that every night out, a person doesn't shoot up a bar or whatever
Quote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:54:37 PMQuote from: IcyWind on November 20, 2014, 07:49:42 PMQuote from: Kinder on November 20, 2014, 07:48:09 PMCCWThere you go. Concealed carry, only person who knows there is a gun is the person carrying. Nobody else does. People also attend parties all the time while carrying and very little does something go wrongThe few frats near you do not represent all the frats. Add in drugs to the alcohol, and having a firearm only adds to the problem. I'd advocate pepper spray or something such as that before adding a gun to this volatile equation.Ok, you realize that a person with a gun isn't some idiot, correct? To get a CCW you have to realize that you can't drink heavly while having a gun on your person. A person carrying knows far better and is the reason that every night out, a person doesn't shoot up a bar or whateverSo, do you have one?
Ok, you realize that a person with a gun isn't some idiot, correct?
Very, very, very long Rolling Stone article that I am linking, but don't intend you all to read. Highlights regarding it are quoted belowQuoteFour weeks into UVA's 2012 school year, 18-year-old Jackie was crushing it at college. A chatty, straight-A achiever from a rural Virginia town, she'd initially been intimidated by UVA's aura of preppy success, where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings, hurrying to classes, clubs, sports, internships, part-time jobs, volunteer work and parties; Jackie's orientation leader had warned her that UVA students' schedules were so packed that "no one has time to date – people just hook up." But despite her reservations, Jackie had flung herself into campus life, attending events, joining clubs, making friends and, now, being asked on an actual date. She and Drew had met while working lifeguard shifts together at the university pool, and Jackie had been floored by Drew's invitation to dinner, followed by a "date function" at his fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi. The "upper tier" frat had a reputation of tremendous wealth, and its imposingly large house overlooked a vast manicured field, giving "Phi Psi" the undisputed best real estate along UVA's fraternity row known as Rugby Road. Now, climbing the frat-house stairs with Drew, Jackie felt excited. Drew ushered Jackie into a bedroom, shutting the door behind them. The room was pitch-black inside. Jackie blindly turned toward Drew, uttering his name. At that same moment, she says, she detected movement in the room – and felt someone bump into her. Jackie began to scream."Shut up," she heard a man's voice say as a body barreled into her, tripping her backward and sending them both crashing through a low glass table. There was a heavy person on top of her, spreading open her thighs, and another person kneeling on her hair, hands pinning down her arms, sharp shards digging into her back, and excited male voices rising all around her. When yet another hand clamped over her mouth, Jackie bit it, and the hand became a fist that punched her in the face. The men surrounding her began to laugh. For a hopeful moment Jackie wondered if this wasn't some collegiate prank. Perhaps at any second someone would flick on the lights and they'd return to the party."Grab its motherfucking leg," she heard a voice say. And that's when Jackie knew she was going to be raped.She remembers every moment of the next three hours of agony, during which, she says, seven men took turns raping her, while two more – her date, Drew, and another man – gave instruction and encouragement. She remembers how the spectators swigged beers, and how they called each other nicknames like Armpit and Blanket. She remembers the men's heft and their sour reek of alcohol mixed with the pungency of marijuana. Most of all, Jackie remembers the pain and the pounding that went on and on.As the last man sank onto her, Jackie was startled to recognize him: He attended her tiny anthropology discussion group. He looked like he was going to cry or puke as he told the crowd he couldn't get it up. "Pussy!" the other men jeered. "What, she's not hot enough for you?" Then they egged him on: "Don't you want to be a brother?" "We all had to do it, so you do, too." Someone handed her classmate a beer bottle. Jackie stared at the young man, silently begging him not to go through with it. And as he shoved the bottle into her, Jackie fell into a stupor, mentally untethering from the brutal tableau, her mind leaving behind the bleeding body under assault on the floor.QuoteTwo years later, Jackie, now a third-year, is worried about what might happen to her once this article comes out. Greek life is huge at UVA, with nearly one-third of undergrads belonging to a fraternity or sorority, so Jackie fears the backlash could be big – a "shitshow" predicted by her now-former friend Randall, who, citing his loyalty to his own frat, declined to be interviewed. But her concerns go beyond taking on her alleged assailants and their fraternity. Lots of people have discouraged her from sharing her story, Jackie tells me with a pained look, including the trusted UVA dean to whom Jackie reported her gang-rape allegations more than a year ago. On this deeply loyal campus, even some of Jackie's closest friends see her going public as tantamount to betrayal.QuoteThe first weeks of freshman year are when students are most vulnerable to sexual assaultQuoteStudies have shown that fraternity men are three times as likely to commit rape, and a spate of recent high-profile cases illustrates the dangers that can lurk at frat parties, like a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee frat accused of using color-coded hand stamps as a signal to roofie their guests, and this fall's suspension of Brown University's chapter of Phi Kappa Psi – of all fraternities – after a partygoer tested positive for the date-rape drug GHB.Frats are often the sole option for an underage drinker looking to party, since bars are off-limits, sororities are dry and first-year students don't get many invites to apartment soirees. Instead, the kids crowd the walkways of the big, anonymous frat houses, vying for entry. QuoteMost of that hooking up is consensual. But against that backdrop, as psychologist David Lisak discovered, lurk undetected predators. Lisak's 2002 groundbreaking study of more than 1,800 college men found that roughly nine out of 10 rapes are committed by serial offenders, who are responsible for an astonishing average of six rapes each. None of the offenders in Lisak's study had ever been reported. Lisak's findings upended general presumptions about campus sexual assault: It implied that most incidents are not bumbling, he-said-she-said miscommunications, but rather deliberate crimes by serial sex offenders.For those who do not know, UVA is among 86 universities across the country under investigation from the federal government regarding the sexual assault problem, and claims of coverup. UVA's investigation goes one step further, which the quote below explains:QuoteUVA is one of only 12 schools under a sweeping investigation known as "compliance review": a proactive probe launched by the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights itself, triggered by concerns about deep-rooted issues. "They are targeted efforts to go after very serious concerns," says Office of Civil Rights assistant secretary Catherine Lhamon. "We don't open compliance reviews unless we have something that we think merits it."The topic of sexual assault on college campuses is not new, but it's one that has escalated in recent years as more and more victims come forward with reports of their assault, and the claims that their university either pushed them to drop the claims, or that the university covered up investigations to protect frats, athletic teams, and their prestige.So, let me ask: Aside from the federal investigation and severe penalties that are coming down, what more can be done to prevent this growing problem?
Four weeks into UVA's 2012 school year, 18-year-old Jackie was crushing it at college. A chatty, straight-A achiever from a rural Virginia town, she'd initially been intimidated by UVA's aura of preppy success, where throngs of toned, tanned and overwhelmingly blond students fanned across a landscape of neoclassical brick buildings, hurrying to classes, clubs, sports, internships, part-time jobs, volunteer work and parties; Jackie's orientation leader had warned her that UVA students' schedules were so packed that "no one has time to date – people just hook up." But despite her reservations, Jackie had flung herself into campus life, attending events, joining clubs, making friends and, now, being asked on an actual date. She and Drew had met while working lifeguard shifts together at the university pool, and Jackie had been floored by Drew's invitation to dinner, followed by a "date function" at his fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi. The "upper tier" frat had a reputation of tremendous wealth, and its imposingly large house overlooked a vast manicured field, giving "Phi Psi" the undisputed best real estate along UVA's fraternity row known as Rugby Road. Now, climbing the frat-house stairs with Drew, Jackie felt excited. Drew ushered Jackie into a bedroom, shutting the door behind them. The room was pitch-black inside. Jackie blindly turned toward Drew, uttering his name. At that same moment, she says, she detected movement in the room – and felt someone bump into her. Jackie began to scream."Shut up," she heard a man's voice say as a body barreled into her, tripping her backward and sending them both crashing through a low glass table. There was a heavy person on top of her, spreading open her thighs, and another person kneeling on her hair, hands pinning down her arms, sharp shards digging into her back, and excited male voices rising all around her. When yet another hand clamped over her mouth, Jackie bit it, and the hand became a fist that punched her in the face. The men surrounding her began to laugh. For a hopeful moment Jackie wondered if this wasn't some collegiate prank. Perhaps at any second someone would flick on the lights and they'd return to the party."Grab its motherfucking leg," she heard a voice say. And that's when Jackie knew she was going to be raped.She remembers every moment of the next three hours of agony, during which, she says, seven men took turns raping her, while two more – her date, Drew, and another man – gave instruction and encouragement. She remembers how the spectators swigged beers, and how they called each other nicknames like Armpit and Blanket. She remembers the men's heft and their sour reek of alcohol mixed with the pungency of marijuana. Most of all, Jackie remembers the pain and the pounding that went on and on.As the last man sank onto her, Jackie was startled to recognize him: He attended her tiny anthropology discussion group. He looked like he was going to cry or puke as he told the crowd he couldn't get it up. "Pussy!" the other men jeered. "What, she's not hot enough for you?" Then they egged him on: "Don't you want to be a brother?" "We all had to do it, so you do, too." Someone handed her classmate a beer bottle. Jackie stared at the young man, silently begging him not to go through with it. And as he shoved the bottle into her, Jackie fell into a stupor, mentally untethering from the brutal tableau, her mind leaving behind the bleeding body under assault on the floor.
Two years later, Jackie, now a third-year, is worried about what might happen to her once this article comes out. Greek life is huge at UVA, with nearly one-third of undergrads belonging to a fraternity or sorority, so Jackie fears the backlash could be big – a "shitshow" predicted by her now-former friend Randall, who, citing his loyalty to his own frat, declined to be interviewed. But her concerns go beyond taking on her alleged assailants and their fraternity. Lots of people have discouraged her from sharing her story, Jackie tells me with a pained look, including the trusted UVA dean to whom Jackie reported her gang-rape allegations more than a year ago. On this deeply loyal campus, even some of Jackie's closest friends see her going public as tantamount to betrayal.
The first weeks of freshman year are when students are most vulnerable to sexual assault
Studies have shown that fraternity men are three times as likely to commit rape, and a spate of recent high-profile cases illustrates the dangers that can lurk at frat parties, like a University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee frat accused of using color-coded hand stamps as a signal to roofie their guests, and this fall's suspension of Brown University's chapter of Phi Kappa Psi – of all fraternities – after a partygoer tested positive for the date-rape drug GHB.Frats are often the sole option for an underage drinker looking to party, since bars are off-limits, sororities are dry and first-year students don't get many invites to apartment soirees. Instead, the kids crowd the walkways of the big, anonymous frat houses, vying for entry.
Most of that hooking up is consensual. But against that backdrop, as psychologist David Lisak discovered, lurk undetected predators. Lisak's 2002 groundbreaking study of more than 1,800 college men found that roughly nine out of 10 rapes are committed by serial offenders, who are responsible for an astonishing average of six rapes each. None of the offenders in Lisak's study had ever been reported. Lisak's findings upended general presumptions about campus sexual assault: It implied that most incidents are not bumbling, he-said-she-said miscommunications, but rather deliberate crimes by serial sex offenders.
UVA is one of only 12 schools under a sweeping investigation known as "compliance review": a proactive probe launched by the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights itself, triggered by concerns about deep-rooted issues. "They are targeted efforts to go after very serious concerns," says Office of Civil Rights assistant secretary Catherine Lhamon. "We don't open compliance reviews unless we have something that we think merits it."
I mean..."don't rape people" is a pretty good thing to teach teens, too...
University of Virginia President Teresa A. Sullivan said Saturday that she is suspending all campus fraternities through early January, acting days after a magazine published an account from the victim of an alleged 2012 gang rape inside a U-Va. fraternity house.The suspension, Sullivan said in a statement posted to the university Web site, will continue until Jan. 9, when the spring semester is set to begin.“In the intervening period we will assemble groups of students, faculty, alumni, and other concerned parties to discuss our next steps in preventing sexual assault and sexual violence on Grounds,” she said, using university parlance for its Charlottesville campus.The university’s Board of Visitors will meet Tuesday to discuss the allegations, aired in a Rolling Stone magazine article, as well as policies and procedures on sexual assault, Sullivan said.The article, which was posted online this week, describes a brutal sex assault that allegedly occurred in the Phi Kappa Psi house. The victim, who was given an alias by the magazine, said a fraternity member led her upstairs during a party and into a dark room, where several men raped her.Her story roiled the campus Friday, raising doubts among students, faculty and parents about the way the case was handled by university administrators.Elected officials, including Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) and Sen. Mark Warner (D), expressed deep concern in recent days about the allegations. The Charlottesville police are investigating the account.
I'd transfer
Quote from: PSU on November 22, 2014, 01:24:37 PMI'd transferBecause your fraternity is shutdown for three weeks?
Quote from: IcyWind on November 22, 2014, 01:26:39 PMQuote from: PSU on November 22, 2014, 01:24:37 PMI'd transferBecause your fraternity is shutdown for three weeks?Yep.
Sexual Assaults on US College Campuses (Story Update on Pg. 6)
