Russian-backed rebels allegedly have more firepower than German military.

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http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-claims-rebels-boast-artillery-tanks-germany-513138

I'm guessing these claims are either untrue or greatly exaggerated.

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Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko has warned that Russian-backed rebels in his country’s east boast more artillery, tanks and armored vehicles than Germany’s armed forces, Ukrainian state news agency Ukrinform reported Sunday.

Although there are no official figures for the arsenal held by militants in east Ukraine, Poroshenko cited estimates from Ukrainian intelligence, whose agents have said that separatists have more tanks than either Germany or the U.K.

“I want to emphasize that the extent of reinforcement and heavy equipment which Russia continues to deploy throughout the area of the Ukrainian-Russian border—out of the government’s control—has reached such a level that the number of tanks, artillery systems, armored carriers, multi-rocket launcher systems surpasses the arsenal of the German army,” he said last week during a visit to Berlin for talks with European leaders and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

When asked to explain the president’s statement by Newsweek, his administration said Poroshenko was referring to Ukrainian intelligence figures that estimate the rebels have more than 700 tanks, more than 1,250 artillery systems, more than 1,000 armed personnel carriers, and more than 300 multi-rocket launch systems.

Neither Germany's Bundeswehrs nor its Ministry of Defense were immediately available for comment. But, according to Global Firepower’s estimates, the rebels’ arsenal does outdo Germany when it comes to its number of tanks (408) and multi-rocket systems (50).

These figures also suggest the rebels have a greater stockpile of artillery than Germany, whose army has no towed weaponry and only 154 self-propelled guns. The German armed forces, however, boast almost five times as many armored fighting vehicles (5,869).

Although Russia has denied providing separatist fighters with arms, it has not given a satisfactory explanation as to who is supplying the weapons and enabling the rebels’ control of Ukrainian territory for over two years.


 
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Maybe Germany-senpai should invest more in military spending than it currently is. Let the Germans be great again.


 
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Maybe Germany-senpai should invest more in military spending than it currently is. Let the Germans be great again.

You act like they don't control 70% of Europe already.


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Germany was/is pretty much taking over Europe without tanks.


 
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Germany was/is pretty much taking over Europe without tanks.
It's common knowledge that Germany will always rise from the ashes.

Holy Romans fall? Boom, united Germany

Germans get fucked in ww1? Boom, economic and most advanced military superpower

Get fucked in WW2/occupied for a long ass time? Boom, rules the EU

Germany senpai is based


 
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Maybe Germany-senpai should invest more in military spending than it currently is. Let the Germans be great again.

You act like they don't control 70% of Europe already.
Yeah but I meant show more military force


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I'm concerned that since Merkel is killing ethnic Germans that we are going to see another adolf until the EU is finally dissolved.


 
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Well, the Heer is woefully underequipped and last I looked in to it, motorized,mechanized, and armored brigades lacked proper budgets for maintenance... So I'd guess that out of their close to 400 tanks and 150 spg's they have about 250 and 100 in full working order with supplies for combat missions.

Some ruskie backed rebels could easily have liberated that many late soviet pieces.


 
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Merkel has completely fucking cucked Germany, she probably thinks an appropriate military is the same as having the evil Nazi regime. They're more cucked than Japan is.


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Merkel has completely fucking cucked Germany, she probably thinks an appropriate military is the same as having the evil Nazi regime. They're more cucked than Japan is.
I think her heart was in the right place. She just saw a crisis and didn't want thousands of people being left with no place to go. Sadly, I think that's as far as she thought. Nothing is as simple as it seems, and so we have what we see now.


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Her citizens aren't happy with her decision though. True, they may have agreed with her initially, but they're the ones seeing everything up front, and now they want to back track. She has a duty to her citizens first, and she's doing a terrible job by ignoring their wishes and doing the exact opposite of what they want. There's a reason more than half don't want her to stay in office.

I think her heart was in the right place. She just saw a crisis and didn't want thousands of people being left with no place to go. Sadly, I think that's as far as she thought. Nothing is as simple as it seems, and so we have what we see now.


 
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Oh, no I agree she has handled it poorly since then, and allowing THAT many immigrants is always going to have some clashes with things. I just don't think she saw the long term effect of it. She just wanted to help a bunch of refugees out, but sadly it just isn't working.


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Not really that surprising considering the pitiful state of the German armed forces.

I miss the German Empire...


 
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Not really that surprising considering the pitiful state of the German armed forces.

I miss the German Empire...
Thanks Allies. No one misses the Ottoman Empire though.


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Not really that surprising considering the pitiful state of the German armed forces.

I miss the German Empire...
Thanks Allies. No one misses the Ottoman Empire though.

Erdoğan does.


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Not really that surprising considering the pitiful state of the German armed forces.

I miss the German Empire...
Thanks Allies. No one misses the Ottoman Empire though.
Fuckin' sodomite Turks suck.


 
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Not really that surprising considering the pitiful state of the German armed forces.

I miss the German Empire...
Thanks Allies. No one misses the Ottoman Empire though.

Erdoğan does.
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