Rioters are literal terrorists

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But I bet you guys still hold prejudice against terrorists, huh? Yeah yeah, injustices whatever, what do you think they're fighting for? The extremist muslims who see the corruption of their countries by more liberal views are fighting for their justice.


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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.


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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.
And you're not?


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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.
And you're not?

Never implied I wasn't subject to human bouts of retardation. But I am sapient enough to know that blowing shit up/looting makes nobody's day and constitutes a pointless act.


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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.
And you're not?

Never implied I wasn't subject to human bouts of retardation. But I am sapient enough to know that blowing shit up/looting makes nobody's day and constitutes a pointless act.
you're not sapient enough to anything. Blowing up rich peoples' money physically is the only way for poor people to say "fuck you rich banker who have rigged the system, I'm gonna put you down a peg". It's peaceful protests that don't accomplish anything aside from black people getting more care. Fuck black people, these riots shouldn't be about them, it should be about the rich who've rigged the system to oppress normal people for their gain.


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those at the top get away with way too much shit, are we seriously going to stop at trying to fix only one of these broken systems? Are we all gonna go back to being taken advantage of when some politician manipulates people into thinking he or she will fix the police? We're heading down a shitty path, a worse path imo. The future we're heading into is SJW
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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.
And you're not?

Never implied I wasn't subject to human bouts of retardation. But I am sapient enough to know that blowing shit up/looting makes nobody's day and constitutes a pointless act.
you're not sapient enough to anything. Blowing up rich peoples' money physically is the only way for poor people to say "fuck you rich banker who have rigged the system, I'm gonna put you down a peg". It's peaceful protests that don't accomplish anything aside from black people getting more care. Fuck black people, these riots shouldn't be about them, it should be about the rich who've rigged the system to oppress normal people for their gain.

Ok then Desty my man. Let's make a plan. Let's use walmart as a hypothetical target. Now, are we blowing up walmart stores? Because that's a pretty good way to target rich people's money right? Well, that gives us an easy target of 4,756 walmarts in the US to take down,  and 11,500 worldwide. I'm afraid I can't conjure up the math on the tnt explosive force needed to completely demolish a walmart, but I know it'd be quite a bit if we felt like taking out all the wally worlds in the US alone.

And we haven't taken into account a random factor yet either. Civilians as collateral. Blowing up a building of any kind usually comes with the risk of taking somebody out or injuring them. You have to ask the question of whether or not the life of a bystander is worth destroying when a large corporation like walmart can absorb the loss of a store very easily via insurance, rendering any random bystander's death as pointless.

We also have to take note that creating explosions and damage gives the media a tool to use against the group or people doing it. Your movement gains no positive traction that way. The way you win the war with the corporations is by winning the minds of the people who actively keep them functioning. The people who buy shit.

Paint me a picture here. What would happen to a walmart, or any big brand company out there if nobody bought anything from them for a month? Two months? Six months?


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I hold prejudice against everybody because ninety five percent of them seem to be functionally retarded.
And you're not?

Never implied I wasn't subject to human bouts of retardation. But I am sapient enough to know that blowing shit up/looting makes nobody's day and constitutes a pointless act.
you're not sapient enough to anything. Blowing up rich peoples' money physically is the only way for poor people to say "fuck you rich banker who have rigged the system, I'm gonna put you down a peg". It's peaceful protests that don't accomplish anything aside from black people getting more care. Fuck black people, these riots shouldn't be about them, it should be about the rich who've rigged the system to oppress normal people for their gain.

Ok then Desty my man. Let's make a plan. Let's use walmart as a hypothetical target. Now, are we blowing up walmart stores? Because that's a pretty good way to target rich people's money right? Well, that gives us an easy target of 4,756 walmarts in the US to take down,  and 11,500 worldwide. I'm afraid I can't conjure up the math on the tnt explosive force needed to completely demolish a walmart, but I know it'd be quite a bit if we felt like taking out all the wally worlds in the US alone.

And we haven't taken into account a random factor yet either. Civilians as collateral. Blowing up a building of any kind usually comes with the risk of taking somebody out or injuring them. You have to ask the question of whether or not the life of a bystander is worth destroying when a large corporation like walmart can absorb the loss of a store very easily via insurance, rendering any random bystander's death as pointless.

We also have to take note that creating explosions and damage gives the media a tool to use against the group or people doing it. Your movement gains no positive traction that way. The way you win the war with the corporations is by winning the minds of the people who actively keep them functioning. The people who buy shit.

Paint me a picture here. What would happen to a walmart, or any big brand company out there if nobody bought anything from them for a month? Two months? Six months?
Oh yeah. That's pretty true. I never thought of it that way before.


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We're built off of riots and revolutions. It's the only way to send messages through at this point.
Whether or not someone values these movements depends on your perspective.


 
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LOL no

Rioters are trying to incite change for causes they believe in at the end of the day, they’re just doing it in an absolutely reprehensible way.

Terrorists are literally only trying to incite fear and make people question whether their causes are worth standing by when it means there are people out there who are willing to torture and kill them for holding those causes.


 
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Terrorists are literally only trying to incite fear and make people question whether their causes are worth standing by when it means there are people out there who are willing to torture and kill them for holding those causes.
I mean
I'm willing to kill a cop


 
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Terrorists are literally only trying to incite fear and make people question whether their causes are worth standing by when it means there are people out there who are willing to torture and kill them for holding those causes.
I mean
I'm willing to kill a cop
Okay, but is it because of their beliefs? Are you killing a cop because they agree with the capitalist/democratic system? Because that’s the main form of terrorism present in the world today - terrorism targeted at citizens of first world countries solely because they believe in these values.


 
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The use of violence to bring about systemic or political change is literally the definition of terrorism.
Destruction or defacement or theft of property is a form of violence
Therefore rioters are inciting violence against the state to enact political change
Therefore rioters are terrorist just like George Washington, Micheal Collins, Ho Chi Minh and Robespierre all led groups of terrorists.

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The use of violence to bring about systemic or political change is literally the definition of terrorism.
Destruction or defacement or theft of property is a form of violence
Therefore rioters are inciting violence against the state to enact political change
Therefore rioters are terrorist just like George Washington, Micheal Collins, Ho Chi Minh and Robespierre all led groups of terrorists.

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If you have to Google “definition of terrorist” and use whatever pops up as a prop to your argument, then you don’t understand how arguments work.

You’re fighting a battle of semantics without considering what “terrorists” are actually considered.

Were the Founding Father terrorists? They used violence to bring about a political change.

Was Malcolm X a terrorist? He did the same.

No terrorist has an ideology - he has an anti-ideology. His entire belief set is an opposition to a preexisting belief set. They are terrorists because they strike terror into people, with violence and intimidation, for having the gall to freely believe in whatever they choose. They’re terrorists because when the rest of us were picking what philosophy we subscribed to, they were picking what philosophy they hated.



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The use of violence to bring about systemic or political change is literally the definition of terrorism.
Destruction or defacement or theft of property is a form of violence
Therefore rioters are inciting violence against the state to enact political change
Therefore rioters are terrorist just like George Washington, Micheal Collins, Ho Chi Minh and Robespierre all led groups of terrorists.

edit for spelling
If you have to Google “definition of terrorist” and use whatever pops up as a prop to your argument, then you don’t understand how arguments work.

You’re fighting a battle of semantics without considering what “terrorists” are actually considered.

Were the Founding Father terrorists? They used violence to bring about a political change.

Was Malcolm X a terrorist? He did the same.

No terrorist has an ideology - he has an anti-ideology. His entire belief set is an opposition to a preexisting belief set. They are terrorists because they strike terror into people, with violence and intimidation, for having the gall to freely believe in whatever they choose. They’re terrorists because when the rest of us were picking what philosophy we subscribed to, they were picking what philosophy they hated.

I don't think it's that black and white. The majority of terrorists have an ideology, and it's taken to it's maximum on one end of a scale. You can't not have an ideology in place because terrorism wouldn't function without it. Ideology is the central core of what all terrorism is about. It's two narratives and egos clashing, with one of them being so devout that they'd be willing to kill or destroy to win.


 
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The use of violence to bring about systemic or political change is literally the definition of terrorism.
Destruction or defacement or theft of property is a form of violence
Therefore rioters are inciting violence against the state to enact political change
Therefore rioters are terrorist just like George Washington, Micheal Collins, Ho Chi Minh and Robespierre all led groups of terrorists.

edit for spelling
If you have to Google “definition of terrorist” and use whatever pops up as a prop to your argument, then you don’t understand how arguments work.

You’re fighting a battle of semantics without considering what “terrorists” are actually considered.

Were the Founding Father terrorists? They used violence to bring about a political change.

Was Malcolm X a terrorist? He did the same.

No terrorist has an ideology - he has an anti-ideology. His entire belief set is an opposition to a preexisting belief set. They are terrorists because they strike terror into people, with violence and intimidation, for having the gall to freely believe in whatever they choose. They’re terrorists because when the rest of us were picking what philosophy we subscribed to, they were picking what philosophy they hated.

I don't think it's that black and white. The majority of terrorists have an ideology, and it's taken to it's maximum on one end of a scale. You can't not have an ideology in place because terrorism wouldn't function without it. Ideology is the central core of what all terrorism is about. It's two narratives and egos clashing, with one of them being so devout that they'd be willing to kill or destroy to win.
Then what separates a terrorist from a revolutionary?


 
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Were the Founding Father terrorists?
just like George Washington... led groups of terrorists.



 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
Then what separates a terrorist from a revolutionary?
Popular or media support for their cause.
See discussions surrounding the actions of Hamas, the IRA, or the YPG against their oppressors.


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The use of violence to bring about systemic or political change is literally the definition of terrorism.
Destruction or defacement or theft of property is a form of violence
Therefore rioters are inciting violence against the state to enact political change
Therefore rioters are terrorist just like George Washington, Micheal Collins, Ho Chi Minh and Robespierre all led groups of terrorists.

edit for spelling
If you have to Google “definition of terrorist” and use whatever pops up as a prop to your argument, then you don’t understand how arguments work.

You’re fighting a battle of semantics without considering what “terrorists” are actually considered.

Were the Founding Father terrorists? They used violence to bring about a political change.

Was Malcolm X a terrorist? He did the same.

No terrorist has an ideology - he has an anti-ideology. His entire belief set is an opposition to a preexisting belief set. They are terrorists because they strike terror into people, with violence and intimidation, for having the gall to freely believe in whatever they choose. They’re terrorists because when the rest of us were picking what philosophy we subscribed to, they were picking what philosophy they hated.

I don't think it's that black and white. The majority of terrorists have an ideology, and it's taken to it's maximum on one end of a scale. You can't not have an ideology in place because terrorism wouldn't function without it. Ideology is the central core of what all terrorism is about. It's two narratives and egos clashing, with one of them being so devout that they'd be willing to kill or destroy to win.
Then what separates a terrorist from a revolutionary?

An extremely fine line that's almost non-existent. There's a threshold somewhere in the mentality that changes, and I think it involves the aspect of malice. Some revolutionary's in the past have achieved their goals with limited use of violence or force, or at minimum, attempted to control the violence so that it was mitigated into a sector of sorts. It wasn't violence for the sake of violence, but a means to an end that had to be mitigated as much as possible. With terrorists, violence is also a means to an end, but there's no limit on mitigation, and I find that there's often an introduction of malice because of this.

Not only is a terrorist fighting for his ideals, but he's invested so much into his ideal that he begins to hate his opposition, paving the way for acts that not only seek to destroy the opposition, but to cause excess suffering. You can see this example in deep end political spectrums all the time.

Semi-normal human beings will argue their political side, treat the other side as opposition, and attempt to win. Deep end political zealots, on the other hand, will begin to preach violence against the other side, or act violently or disturbingly in the presence of their opposition.

At the root of terrorism is war. Both revolutionaries and terrorists create the product of war, be it physical or ideological. The line that separates them is how fat they're willing to go. Revolutionaries are the precursors to terrorists.