Police said they responded to a 911 call of an armed man in the store outside of Dayton on Aug. 5, and that they shot Crawford after he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gun. It turns out it was an air rifle that can shoot BBs or fire pellets.The video shows Crawford, while talking on a cellphone, picking up a pellet gun, which was out of its package and sitting on a shelf. His family said he was talking to the mother of his two children. Crawford continues to walk through Wal-Mart aisles and passes by other customers, who do not appear to react to his presence. The Xenia Gazette reports that Crawford passed by Ronald Ritchie, the man who called 911 and told a dispatcher that there βwas a gentleman walking around with a gun in the store,β that βheβs like pointing it at peopleβ and the man appeared to loading what looked like a rifle and βwaving it back and forth.β (A month later, Ritchie told the Guardian that Crawford never pointed the gun at anybody).
after he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gun
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:42:34 PMafter he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gun
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 27, 2014, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:42:34 PMafter he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gunHe was on the phone, and didn't even know what was going on. Also, watch the video. They yelled at him, he spun around, and they shot him.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:45:50 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on September 27, 2014, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:42:34 PMafter he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gunHe was on the phone, and didn't even know what was going on. Also, watch the video. They yelled at him, he spun around, and they shot him.In that instance the officer(s) should be punished.
if he was buggering around with an unboxed air rifle then it's not quite just shooting someone for buying Iced Tea <.<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 12:53:16 PMif he was buggering around with an unboxed air rifle then it's not quite just shooting someone for buying Iced Tea <.<Yeah, that's directly Walmart's fault. It's not like he unboxed it himself, it was sitting in plain sight on the shelf. And it wasn't like it was loaded or anything...
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:57:05 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 12:53:16 PMif he was buggering around with an unboxed air rifle then it's not quite just shooting someone for buying Iced Tea <.<Yeah, that's directly Walmart's fault. It's not like he unboxed it himself, it was sitting in plain sight on the shelf. And it wasn't like it was loaded or anything...Yeah, they are certainly idiots for having it out like that.And that's also true, but police are trained to treat all guns as loaded/lethal as far as I know. Hence why kids with toy guns and no common sense occasionally get shot down for pointing it at the police.I think something similar happened here in britbongistan a while back, some idiotic kid pointing a toy pistol at the police and he got BTFO by them. Could have been the USA though, it was a while ago <.<
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 01:01:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:57:05 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on September 27, 2014, 12:53:16 PMif he was buggering around with an unboxed air rifle then it's not quite just shooting someone for buying Iced Tea <.<Yeah, that's directly Walmart's fault. It's not like he unboxed it himself, it was sitting in plain sight on the shelf. And it wasn't like it was loaded or anything...Yeah, they are certainly idiots for having it out like that.And that's also true, but police are trained to treat all guns as loaded/lethal as far as I know. Hence why kids with toy guns and no common sense occasionally get shot down for pointing it at the police.I think something similar happened here in britbongistan a while back, some idiotic kid pointing a toy pistol at the police and he got BTFO by them. Could have been the USA though, it was a while ago <.<See, and that's dumb. When you become a police officer, you take the risk that you might die. Your job is to protect and serve, and shooting anyone that's holding a gun-looking object on sight is going to hurt a lot more innocents than criminals in the long run. Even so, you see a dangerous-looking man with a gun? Don't go for the head shot. Don't hit him in the neck. Aim for the leg, or the arm.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 27, 2014, 12:44:45 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 12:42:34 PMafter he didnβt listen to commands to drop the gun
He was on the phone, and didn't even know what was going on. Also, watch the video. They yelled at him, he spun around, and they shot him.
What annoys me is that white folk can walk into supermarkets with fucking rifles and no one gives a shit
Quote from: Gatsby on September 27, 2014, 01:10:21 PMWhat annoys me is that white folk can walk into supermarkets with fucking rifles and no one gives a shitThere's a difference between the way a gun is handled. Over the shoulder in your picture is not intimidating what so ever. The way the guy was holding it in the video and the caller claiming he was pointing it is intimidating
Being on the phone is no excuse. I can still hear a police officer while I'm on the phone.
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:28:38 PMQuote from: Gatsby on September 27, 2014, 01:10:21 PMWhat annoys me is that white folk can walk into supermarkets with fucking rifles and no one gives a shitThere's a difference between the way a gun is handled. Over the shoulder in your picture is not intimidating what so ever. The way the guy was holding it in the video and the caller claiming he was pointing it is intimidatingThis is just one of many examples available if you Google search.
I don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happened
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:31:48 PMI don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happenedThere's this new thing called tazers and shooting people in the leg or arm. Lethal force is only appropriate if a civilian's (NOT a cop's) life is in immediate danger.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 02:34:47 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:31:48 PMI don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happenedThere's this new thing called tazers and shooting people in the leg or arm. Lethal force is only appropriate if a civilian's (NOT a cop's) life is in immediate danger.Nice opinion there.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 02:34:47 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:31:48 PMI don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happenedThere's this new thing called tazers and shooting people in the leg or arm. Lethal force is only appropriate if a civilian's (NOT a cop's) life is in immediate danger.There's this thing called distance. A taser won't shoot that far. It only works at a couple of feet, like 2 feet. Lethal force IS appropriate if a cop's life is in danger and cops are civilians also and police departments are civilian agencies. Only people not civilians are military personnel
Quote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:38:03 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 02:34:47 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:31:48 PMI don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happenedThere's this new thing called tazers and shooting people in the leg or arm. Lethal force is only appropriate if a civilian's (NOT a cop's) life is in immediate danger.There's this thing called distance. A taser won't shoot that far. It only works at a couple of feet, like 2 feet. Lethal force IS appropriate if a cop's life is in danger and cops are civilians also and police departments are civilian agencies. Only people not civilians are military personnelDid you not even watch the video, bro? They were extremely close to the guy. The simple fact of the matter is that the coo didn't even give the kid time to drop the BB gun. He came around the corner, yelled at him, and before the kid even knew what was going on, he was shot.
Quote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 02:41:28 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:38:03 PMQuote from: SecondClass on September 27, 2014, 02:34:47 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on September 27, 2014, 02:31:48 PMI don't see any problem here.Well, the only problem was the guy calling and saying the other guy was waving around the gun when he actually wasn't. Police did nothing wrong as they got a call about a man pointing a gun at people, arrived, saw the supposed weapon, ordered him to drop it, he never dropped it, and was shotPolice are not some super-natural beings that know everything about a situation. They know as much as everybody else and what they are told about the situation at hand. Maybe if the caller didn't say the gun was being waved and pointed then this wouldn't have happenedThere's this new thing called tazers and shooting people in the leg or arm. Lethal force is only appropriate if a civilian's (NOT a cop's) life is in immediate danger.There's this thing called distance. A taser won't shoot that far. It only works at a couple of feet, like 2 feet. Lethal force IS appropriate if a cop's life is in danger and cops are civilians also and police departments are civilian agencies. Only people not civilians are military personnelDid you not even watch the video, bro? They were extremely close to the guy. The simple fact of the matter is that the coo didn't even give the kid time to drop the BB gun. He came around the corner, yelled at him, and before the kid even knew what was going on, he was shot.I did watch the video. No cop is coming to get that close to a guy who has been reported to be pointing a gun around and have an item that looks like a gun in his hands. That's fucking suicide. You wouldn't get up close to the guy if you were there, would you? Of course not
Police officer kills Walmart shopper for holding a BB gun
