Opposition to Islam for the wrong reasons. (A pet peeve)

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That's perfectly valid criticism though. Islamism directly violated the NAP.
You can't realy critisize a religion within it's own context without spooks because then you're just left with cultural relativism telling you that it's actually all okay. 

 
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We're criticizing Islam because its teachings have no place in a secular Western democracy.

But maybe you're seriously not memeing here and you actually want your masturbatory orthodox theocracy implemented. If so, then perhaps you should fuck off to some slavic shithole and remain there.

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Radical Islam is commonly criticized as an aberrant deviation from the "true" Islam followed by the majority of moderate Muslims. Talking about how it treats homosexuals or non-believers is within the context of Islam itself in the same way people criticize WBC as non-Christians for how they treat others.

And ultimately, when we criticize Islam on here for being violent or hateful, we're not talking about whether the Quran is correctly interpreted one way or another to convince a Muslim, we're talking as outsiders about why that is incompatible with our society. If radical Islam is the true religion, well then I guess I'm just fucked.

 
 
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Criticising Islam from within it's own context is annoying because of how contradictory it is, it allows people to take any position and it acts as a defence to criticism.

"Islam says you should kill infidels"
"No no but it also says one innocent killed is like killing all mankind"

"Islam says kill apostates"
"No no it also says for you is your religion, and for me is my religion"

etc etc

This goes on throughout the Quran
Last Edit: June 19, 2016, 12:38:23 PM by gats

 
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Quote from: gats on June 19, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Criticising Islam from within it's own context is annoying because of how contradictory it is, it allows people to take any position and it acts as a defence to criticism.

"Islam says you should kill infidels"
"No no but it also says one innocent killed is like killing all mankind"

"Islam says kill apostates"
"No no it also says for you is your religion, and for me is my religion"

etc etc

This goes on throughout the Quran
Yes but shouldn't whatever Mohamed had written later take precedent?

 
 
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Quote from: 卐DAS MUSLIM PÄDOPHILEN卐 on June 19, 2016, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: gats on June 19, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Criticising Islam from within it's own context is annoying because of how contradictory it is, it allows people to take any position and it acts as a defence to criticism.

"Islam says you should kill infidels"
"No no but it also says one innocent killed is like killing all mankind"

"Islam says kill apostates"
"No no it also says for you is your religion, and for me is my religion"

etc etc

This goes on throughout the Quran
Yes but shouldn't whatever Mohamed had written later take precedent?
That I dunno

 
 
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Quote from: gats on June 19, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Criticising Islam from within it's own context is annoying because of how contradictory it is, it allows people to take any position and it acts as a defence to criticism.

"Islam says you should kill infidels"
"No no but it also says one innocent killed is like killing all mankind"

"Islam says kill apostates"
"No no it also says for you is your religion, and for me is my religion"

etc etc

This goes on throughout the Quran

Except of course this was pointed out very early on and the doctrine imposed by PBUH himself was the later Quran invalidates the earlier parts i.e. Conquest is the law of the land when it comes to Islam.

 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
The success of the human species, in terms of material development, is almost entirely due to our ability to believe in spooks in the first place. Were we not able to think conceptually, institutions, religions and nations would not exist. There is no possible way to criticise a spook from a de-spooked position, because a de-spooked position necessarily negates your ability to engage properly with the idea in question.

The goal is finding the right spooks to adhere to.

 
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Quote from: 卐DAS MUSLIM PÄDOPHILEN卐 on June 19, 2016, 12:54:55 PM
Quote from: gats on June 19, 2016, 12:34:32 PM
Criticising Islam from within it's own context is annoying because of how contradictory it is, it allows people to take any position and it acts as a defence to criticism.

"Islam says you should kill infidels"
"No no but it also says one innocent killed is like killing all mankind"

"Islam says kill apostates"
"No no it also says for you is your religion, and for me is my religion"

etc etc

This goes on throughout the Quran
Yes but shouldn't whatever Mohamed had written later take precedent?
Except that it does, and the things he said later ends up being the more violent.

 
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Even with context Islam is a horrid religion.

Islam grants stoning, wife beatings, kill infidels, slaves, women's testimony is half that of a man, etc.

Islam has no place in the West. Fuck off.

 
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Arguing within a religions framework is too large a concession imo.

 
 
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I hate them because they're faggots

 
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completely agree. I've lived with an Islamic family for 8 years.