Official State of the [only] Union [that matters] thread

Regarding the unnecessary multitude of SotU responses, did any of them actually address what Obama spoke of? Yeah, we heard about bread bag shoes and shit, but...aren't they supposed to be responding to what the SotU was about?

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

While I agree with you, I'm not sure you can use your rent as a metric.

Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

While I agree with you, I'm not sure you can use your rent as a metric.

It's true that it's not fair to use my rent as an example, but Cam is saying you can live ANYWHERE in the US on $8, which simply isn't true.

Maybe some shitty parts of the midwest you can, but you can rule out pretty much any major metro area.

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Absolutely correct. You don't need utilities, a car, a cell phone, most other expenses or even a place to rent.

I don't need running water, heat, a car to get to work, a phone to call my friends, family, work? I don't need a place to live?

Please just stop.

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Absolutely correct. You don't need utilities, a car, a cell phone, most other expenses or even a place to rent.

I don't need running water, heat, a car to get to work, a phone to call my friends, family, work? I don't need a place to live?

Please just stop.

No, you don't NEED those things to LIVE. Sorry, I don't just stop because you get proven wrong. Walk to a dang pond with a bucket. My point is you're going to live, you're just going to have to not be dependent on others.

Sorry, this isn't the fucking 1400's. I'm not going to build a tiny shack and attempt to survive. This is 2015 with all the comfort and amenities I desire. We don't need to hunt for our food anymore, the grocery store exists. We don't need to make our own clothes, we can buy those, too. I'm not going to walk 20 miles to and from work, so I drive because we have cars.

Maybe barely surviving works for you, but certainly not for me.

It's pretty silly that you say all this shit about not needing any of these things, yet here you are on the fucking internet.

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Absolutely correct. You don't need utilities, a car, a cell phone, most other expenses or even a place to rent.

I don't need running water, heat, a car to get to work, a phone to call my friends, family, work? I don't need a place to live?

Please just stop.

No, you don't NEED those things to LIVE. Sorry, I don't just stop because you get proven wrong. Walk to a dang pond with a bucket. My point is you're going to live, you're just going to have to not be dependent on others.

Sorry, this isn't the fucking 1400's. I'm not going to build a tiny shack and attempt to survive. This is 2015 with all the comfort and amenities I desire. We don't need to hunt for our food anymore, the grocery store exists. We don't need to make our own clothes, we can buy those, too. I'm not going to walk 20 miles to and from work, so I drive because we have cars.

Maybe barely surviving works for you, but certainly not for me.

It's pretty silly that you say all this shit about not needing any of these things, yet here you are on the fucking internet.

Since this isn't the past we better just make slaves of employers?

What does that even mean? How do I make my employer a slave?

It doesn't work like that. Live within your means and support yourself.

I do.

You have to actually work for those comforts instead of expecting them to be handed too you.

Yes, that's called "a job."

I'm hardly "barely surviving." I worked hard to where I am to live comfortably, and I didn't steal from anyone to get there.

..and I didn't work hard? I stole things from people to get where I am?

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Absolutely correct. You don't need utilities, a car, a cell phone, most other expenses or even a place to rent.

I don't need running water, heat, a car to get to work, a phone to call my friends, family, work? I don't need a place to live?

Please just stop.

No, you don't NEED those things to LIVE. Sorry, I don't just stop because you get proven wrong. Walk to a dang pond with a bucket. My point is you're going to live, you're just going to have to not be dependent on others.

Sorry, this isn't the fucking 1400's. I'm not going to build a tiny shack and attempt to survive. This is 2015 with all the comfort and amenities I desire. We don't need to hunt for our food anymore, the grocery store exists. We don't need to make our own clothes, we can buy those, too. I'm not going to walk 20 miles to and from work, so I drive because we have cars.

Maybe barely surviving works for you, but certainly not for me.

It's pretty silly that you say all this shit about not needing any of these things, yet here you are on the fucking internet.

Since this isn't the past we better just make slaves of employers?

What does that even mean? How do I make my employer a slave?

It doesn't work like that. Live within your means and support yourself.

I do.

You have to actually work for those comforts instead of expecting them to be handed too you.

Yes, that's called "a job."

I'm hardly "barely surviving." I worked hard to where I am to live comfortably, and I didn't steal from anyone to get there.

..and I didn't work hard? I stole things from people to get where I am?

You also don't need the internet, and I can actually afford it on my own. My possessions are irrelevant. You make an employer a slave when you raise the minimum wage by forcing them to pay something they never agreed to pay.

Then you're living, which goes against your claim that you can't live on $8 an hour.

Or providing for yourself. No one owes you a job, nor is one required to survive.

You are advocating for theft...

Do you realize what a dysfunctional society we would live in if nobody had real fucking jobs? We can't all be farmers and blacksmiths and shit. We already did that...hundreds of years ago.

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Also, you can live ANYWHERE in the United States for $8 an hour.

No, incorrect. My rent is $1050/mo. Even if I didn't pay taxes, I would barely have enough to keep my roof over my head at $8/hr. That's not to mention food, utilities, car, cell phone, and other expenses.

Stop making shit up.

Not everyone lives in your crazy little fantasy world.

Absolutely correct. You don't need utilities, a car, a cell phone, most other expenses or even a place to rent.

I don't need running water, heat, a car to get to work, a phone to call my friends, family, work? I don't need a place to live?

Please just stop.

No, you don't NEED those things to LIVE. Sorry, I don't just stop because you get proven wrong. Walk to a dang pond with a bucket. My point is you're going to live, you're just going to have to not be dependent on others.

Sorry, this isn't the fucking 1400's. I'm not going to build a tiny shack and attempt to survive. This is 2015 with all the comfort and amenities I desire. We don't need to hunt for our food anymore, the grocery store exists. We don't need to make our own clothes, we can buy those, too. I'm not going to walk 20 miles to and from work, so I drive because we have cars.

Maybe barely surviving works for you, but certainly not for me.

It's pretty silly that you say all this shit about not needing any of these things, yet here you are on the fucking internet.

Since this isn't the past we better just make slaves of employers?

What does that even mean? How do I make my employer a slave?

It doesn't work like that. Live within your means and support yourself.

I do.

You have to actually work for those comforts instead of expecting them to be handed too you.

Yes, that's called "a job."

I'm hardly "barely surviving." I worked hard to where I am to live comfortably, and I didn't steal from anyone to get there.

..and I didn't work hard? I stole things from people to get where I am?

You also don't need the internet, and I can actually afford it on my own. My possessions are irrelevant. You make an employer a slave when you raise the minimum wage by forcing them to pay something they never agreed to pay.

Then you're living, which goes against your claim that you can't live on $8 an hour.

Or providing for yourself. No one owes you a job, nor is one required to survive.

You are advocating for theft...

Do you realize what a dysfunctional society we would live in if nobody had real fucking jobs? We can't all be farmers and blacksmiths and shit. We already did that...hundreds of years ago.

You realize there's plenty of fantastic jobs out there, or you can always start your own business.

No, you can't have a business, because something something theft and other bullshit you made up

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I like Cam's chain of thought,

"You don't need these things... But you need a job."

Biggest living contradiction.

You don't need a car- how does one get around, get to work, get to job interviews, etc

You don't need a phone or internet- a large portion of jobs and application processes take place at some point via these methods. The other method is face to face contact... Which will require some means of transport to attend.

You don't need amenities, or as you put it, "Go find a pond"- if you cannot maintain a decent level of hygiene good luck getting and holding a decent job. Are you also getting your drinking water from such a pond? I advise against pond water.
What if there is no pond? No creeks? No streams? Do these people then only bathe/shower when it rains?

You are right, you don't need any of those things. Unless you want to participate in a modern civilised society.

The life you described is basically life on reservation. And life on reservation is unlike anything you have ever experienced.

So no, you are completely wrong. A person who wishes to live today cannot survive on $8/hour.

And yes your attempts at trying to rebut these facts will only make you look stupid as I throw your exact words in your face to show you that you CANNOT live everywhere in the US for $8/hour.

All I would have to do is find one state, one county, one town, suburb, or even village where $8/hour is not sustainable to disprove your stupid comment and make you look like more of an idiot than you already are.

And before you get started, I have no reflection in mirrors. I am not referring to myself in the 3rd person, and I have not disproven anything I have said/argued.

All your regurgitated responses that everyone continues to see you post do you no credit.

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look, prices rise, market falls, the economy, the government they're all on the same side. Politicians speak the same garbage to try and win us over. it's all a game and were just there to observe the wrekage.

everyone deserves a standard of living as everyone is equal to one another, once those with wealth can realize this, then we will prosper.

everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

why?

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everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

why?

Because people aren't equal.

Moreover, individuals who aren't so well-off aren't in any way entitled to the wealth or labour of those better of than them insofar as it goes beyond sustaining the necessities.

everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

why?

Because some people are inferior to others.

Not because of race or anything trivial like that. But some people are simply superior to others, and others are inferior.

by saying that your just blanketing over different skills. noone is superior to someone in every way. everyone has their weaknesses and strengths

it balances out

everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

why?

Because people aren't equal.

Moreover, individuals who aren't so well-off aren't in any way entitled to the wealth or labour of those better of than them insofar as it goes beyond sustaining the necessities.

but it's the person not well off shouldn't be the one to blame for his/her current situation. its not a matter of entitlement, but leveling the playing field to create a classless society.

create a classless society.

That's not even possible,  let alone desirable.

create a classless society.

That's not even possible,  let alone desirable.

yes it is. just because noone has tried it yet doesn't mean the idea shouldn't be scrapped

create a classless society.

That's not even possible,  let alone desirable.

yes it is. just because noone has tried it yet doesn't mean the idea shouldn't be scrapped

Well first of all it should be scrapped because the abolition of economic inequality is pretty much entirely undesirable in the first place.

Second of all, it should be scrapped because it promotes idealistic nonsense over rational empiricism.

Thirdly, the fact that all of the iterations of these societies have been under exogenous and mitigating circumstances.

Finally, it should be scrapped because most of the times it has been tried and hasn't worked it's resulted in unprecedented bloodshed.

It doesn't over a desirable or realistic alternative to capitalism in the slightest.

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everyone is equal to one another

Obviously false.

why?

Because some people are inferior to others.

Not because of race or anything trivial like that. But some people are simply superior to others, and others are inferior.

by saying that your just blanketing over different skills. noone is superior to someone in every way. everyone has their weaknesses and strengths

it balances out

True, but some people are better than others even in certain skills.

Not all people are equal. We should all have equal rights, but we're not all equal.

equal under what sense though??