Obama Administration may stop protection and support of Israel

 
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(Bloomberg) -- While the world remains fixated on the negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, the Obama administration is facing another foreign policy showdown in the United Nations Security Council.

The administration has signaled that it might abandon the decades-long U.S. policy of protecting Israel at the UN and back a Security Council resolution laying out terms for a two-state solution to the almost 67-year-old dispute between the Jewish state and the Palestinians.

Robert Malley, the Middle East director for President Barack Obama’s National Security Council, told at least one European nation two weeks ago that the administration is more willing than it has ever been to work on a Security Council resolution defining the parameters for a Mideast peace agreement, according to a report on the conversation to superiors by a Washington-based European diplomat. A copy of the report was viewed by Bloomberg News.

The reported comments by Malley are “completely false,” Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said in an e-mail. “Rob has not had any conversation on this topic with any European diplomats then or since.”

Obama, though, has left no doubt that he’s considering whether to bend the U.S. policy of vetoing UN resolutions that Israel opposes and, in the process, punish Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for pledging that he will ensure that no Palestinian state is created anytime soon. Netanyahu also opposes the talks with Iran, warning Tuesday that the deal the U.S. seeks would “pave the way” for the Islamic Republic to develop nuclear weapons.

Obama’s Evaluation

“We have to do an evaluation of where we are” on Mideast peace efforts, Obama said at a news conference on March 24.

Past U.S. Security Council vetoes were “predicated on this idea that the two-state solution is the best outcome,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest has said. “Now our ally in these talks has said that they are no longer committed to that solution. That means we need to reevaluate our position.”

Obama said he’ll wait for Netanyahu to form his new coalition government by the preliminary April 22 deadline before announcing the conclusions of his Mideast peace policy reassessment.

While Palestinians and Europeans are excited by the prospect of U.S. support for a two-state solution, they remain wary of how much political and diplomatic latitude Obama has to follow through.

Republican lawmakers are promising to fight back if Obama qualifies U.S. support for Israel at the UN. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina has warned of a “violent backlash by the Congress, bipartisan in nature,” if Obama lets a Security Council resolution defining the terms of a peace agreement go forward without first getting both sides to agree.

Purse Strings

“The last thing I want is to be put in a box where I have to take the UN on,” Graham told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York on March 23, reminding the audience that as chairman of the Senate appropriations subcommittee on foreign operations, he has the power to suspend America’s $654 million annual contribution to the world body.

UN diplomats and Obama’s former Mideast peace negotiators say the president has two realistic options.

First, the U.S. could back a French plan to draft a Security Council resolution that would set a binding timeframe in which to define the parameters of a two-state solution based on Israel’s 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as their shared capital, said two knowledgeable Security Council diplomats.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on March 27 that in the “coming weeks” France will restart discussions on such a text, which ended in December due to U.S. objections.

Cornerstone Resolution

Robert Serry, the UN’s departing Mideast peace envoy, urged the Security Council last week to update its 1967 Resolution 242, which has been a cornerstone of almost 50 years of diplomatic efforts. It was adopted after Israel captured East Jerusalem, the West Bank, the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights and Gaza from its Arab enemies in the Six-Day War that year. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt after the two countries signed a peace treaty in 1979.

Daniel Kurtzer, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel and Egypt, said “a carefully crafted resolution on parameters” is the most realistic option for the U.S. to take, “provided that it is balanced and doesn’t go into so much detail as to prejudge negotiations.”

The biggest challenges will be whether to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, which the Palestinians and the French oppose, and what security arrangements should be included to ensure that a new Palestinian state couldn’t be a launching pad for attacks against Israel, said the two diplomats.

The second U.S. option is to introduce a new draft Security Council resolution that outlines no parameters. It would call on both parties to make progress toward resuming negotiations and condemn activities such as Israel’s settlement-building in East Jerusalem and the West Bank for obstructing the path to peace, said an Arab diplomat at the UN who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

Pressuring Israel

While such a resolution is unlikely to be adopted, a draft would pressure Israel and Netanyahu to at least freeze settlement construction, said three Security Council diplomats who asked not to be named commenting on sensitive matters.

Such actions also might help deter the Palestinians, at least for a time, from seeking full statehood recognition from the Security Council and membership in international treaties, or from pursuing its request that the International Criminal Court probe alleged Israeli war crimes, said the three diplomats.

‘Best Option’

Aaron David Miller, a vice president at the Wilson Center in Washington who served as a Middle East negotiator in Republican and Democratic administrations, said Obama first must determine his goals for the remainder of his term before exploring the U.S. options at the Security Council.

“The real question is, what is the best option for the administration to pursue in the next two months?” Miller said.

Adopting a UN resolution before any agreement is reached between the two parties would be useless unless the administration is ready to try to force Israel to accept a two-state solution by cutting U.S. aid to Israel, recognizing Palestine or pushing the Europeans to sanction Israel and reduce trade, Miller said.

“But I see no indication whatsoever that this administration is ready to do that,” he said.
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I think even Israel realizes a two-state solution is the best outcome, but until Hamas is gone there's simply no possibility of that happening. To abandon Israel, our closest ally in the Middle East, and try to force this solution down their throats would be very unwise. The administration would have to legitimize the Palestinian leadership, which is currently partnered with/manipulated by a huge terrorist organization; I don't see that happening, especially during an election cycle.

I question the legitimacy of these rumors.
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>Two state solution
>Hamas


 
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Israel really is as bad as Palestine.
Nowhere near.

While I oppose the settlements in the West Bank, we shouldn't forget that the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank is legitimate under international law. Hamas is a disgusting, fundamentalist organisation that wilfully kills its own citizens to make Israel look bad. There will never be a Palestinian state so long as Hamas is in the mix.


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Can you imagine all the things we could pay for if we didn't give Israel money?


 
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Can you imagine all the things we could pay for if we didn't give Israel money?
You could stop funding Hamas through the PA first. That seems like a smart first move.


 
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My opinion? Israel shouldn't exist. It's nothing against Jews. I say this because it's brought unnecessary suffering to them when America was practically a safe haven for them.
I actually agree. I especially disagree with the Zionist idea that the Jews deserve a country all of their own.

But, history is history. We can't change the fact that Israel exists in the here and now. If anyone's really to blame for the poor formation of Israel, it's the British Empire.

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But the fact of the matter is Israel is a terrible place with terrible people and lost their moral high ground many decades ago.
I can't disagree that Israel has its faults. But I can't agree that they don't have the moral high ground.

I'd take a xenophobic Orthodox Jew from Israel over a fundamentalist Muslim from Gaza any day. But, fortunately for Israel, its worst elements don't exactly rule it. They give Arabs full rights of citizenship, allow them to serve in the Knesset and they have one on the Supreme Court. And they don't fire rockets from besides residential areas, schools and hospitals to make the Palestinians look bad when they retaliate.


 
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My grandmother thinks this means the world will end. Some shit to do w/ Revelations.

On the one hand it may improve relations w/ Iran on the other we'll have to put up w/ Armageddon crazies being crazy again. . .


 
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Good on Obama.


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My grandmother thinks this means the world will end. Some shit to do w/ Revelations.

On the one hand it may improve relations w/ Iran on the other we'll have to put up w/ Armageddon crazies being crazy again. . .
You know that's why Israel was formed, right? So the end times can come and Jesus will come back.
really? No I guess I didn't think about it. I always thought it was due to some sort of holocaust sympathy complex.

However I have to say I don't think the pretenses under which Israel was founded delegitimizes it's current existence. However I'm mostly undecided on how I feel about our relations w/ it. I don't feel I have enough information.


 
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Good. The two state solution is the only solution.

It's funny, the thing that pisses me off the most about Israel is that if you ask the average citizen why they deserve a state they'll say it's because of their religion. Like seriously? SEriously?


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Fucking hell. Bibi just had to go and abandon Israel's moral high ground for his own re-election, and I can't say I blame Obama for this outcome. The US cannot so strongly associate with a head of state who uses scare tactics and abandons his own principles for selfish political gain. We were already seemingly the last Western power to give a damn about Israel's safety, and at least right now it would only be hurting our image.

God fucking dammit.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Fucking hell. Bibi just had to go and abandon Israel's moral high ground for his own re-election, and I can't say I blame Obama for this outcome. The US cannot so strongly associate with a head of state who uses scare tactics and abandons his own principles for selfish political gain. We were already seemingly the last Western power to give a damn about Israel's safety, and at least right now it would only be hurting our image.

God fucking dammit.
Netanyahu wasn't exactly wrong. Hamas is a barrier to the two-state solution.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
And Hamas will NEVER go away until that solution is implemented.
Then I guess the Palestinians are fucked.


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Fucking hell. Bibi just had to go and abandon Israel's moral high ground for his own re-election, and I can't say I blame Obama for this outcome. The US cannot so strongly associate with a head of state who uses scare tactics and abandons his own principles for selfish political gain. We were already seemingly the last Western power to give a damn about Israel's safety, and at least right now it would only be hurting our image.

God fucking dammit.
Netanyahu wasn't exactly wrong. Hamas is a barrier to the two-state solution.
Yeah, you're right though.

Fuck, I don't even know what to think.


 
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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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So what does the US get out of supporting them?


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Can you imagine all the things we could pay for if we didn't give Israel money?
Like this: http://www.usdebtclock.org ?


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So what does the US get out of supporting them?
"A valuable ally in the middle east" or so we're told


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Did he say glass of juice or gas the Jews?
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So what does the US get out of supporting them?
"A valuable ally in the middle east" or so we're told
Is this ally like Russia in WW2 where they were a big help or are they more of that ally where we end up doing most of it?


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well we were warned about Obama being muslim