Nation’s budget deficit falls to lowest level since Obama took office

 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
From the Washington Post.
Spoiler
The White House hailed a return to "fiscal normalcy" Wednesday, reporting that the  federal budget deficit shrank to $483 billion last year, the lowest level as a share of the economy since 2007, before the Great Recession.

Driven by higher tax revenues, the shortfall for the fiscal year that ended in September was sharply lower than the $680 billion tallied in fiscal 2013 and about a third the size of the record $1.4 trillion deficit hit in 2009, the year President Obama took office. At roughly 2.8 percent of the overall economy, last year's deficit also achieves a White House goal for deficit reduction two years earlier than expected.   

In a briefing for reporters, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and White House budget director Shaun Donovan touted the year-end numbers, noting that the good news comes at a time when government spending has risen slightly and Washington has abandoned "harmful excessive budget austerity," as Donovan put it.

While Obama remains committed to bringing down the nation's debt -- which remains dangerously elevated at $17.8 trillion -- Lew said, "What I don't think we have is an emergency right now ... The challenge we have is to sustain the economic engine."

Lew declined to answer questions about rising global financial fears and the tumbling U.S. stock market. A Treasury spokesman cut off questions about the broader economy, instructing reporters to stick to the happy fiscal news.

Lew and Donovan meanwhile argued that Obama's policies -- from the 2009 stimulus package to the Affordable Care Act to the continuation of the George W. Bush-era tax cuts for most Americans -- had helped the U.S. economy rebound from the darkest days of the recession, which in turn produced more tax revenue and smaller budget deficits.

“Not since World War II, more than 60 years ago, has there been faster and more sustained deficit reduction," Lew said. “The American economy today is better positioned than any other advanced economy in the world.”

According to the Treasury Department, government expenditures rose to $3.5 trillion in fiscal 2014, up about 1 percent from the previous year. Tax receipts, meanwhile, rose to more than $3 trillion, up 9 percent over fiscal 2013 thanks in part to falling unemployment and stronger economic growth.

The higher tax collections were also due, however, to the end of a payroll tax cut for most workers and the expiration of a variety of tax business breaks that many companies are pressing Congress to restore when lawmakers return to Washington after the Nov. 4 elections.

The fate of the so-called "tax extenders" is one of several fiscal issues yet to be resolved in a year-end "lame duck" session before a new Congress is seated in January. Political analysts say Republicans could win control of the Senate as well as the House in the elections, creating the possibility that budget fights between the Capitol and the White House could break out anew.

Washington spent much of Obama's first term embroiled in nasty budget fights that pushed the nation to the brink of default and shut down the government for 16 days last fall. They also ushered in sharp automatic budget cuts, known as the sequester, which are scheduled to hit federal agencies again in 2016.

Republicans have vowed to abide by sequester spending levels for domestic agencies if they win control of Congress, though many hope to find extra cash for the Pentagon. On Wednesday, Lew and Donovan cautioned against that approach, arguing that investing in domestic priorities such as education and infrastructure will bolster economic growth without increasing annual deficits.

"Six years after the Great Recession, thanks to the hard work of the American people and, in part to the policies the president pursued, our economy has bounced back more strongly than most others around the world," Donovan said. "We cannot afford a return to manufactured crises or austere anti-growth fiscal policy" when lawmakers come back in November.

Progress of a kind.

Shame it was done with higher taxes, though.


Mad Max | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: madmax0808
ID: Mad Max
IP: Logged

7,553 posts
 
But...but...Obummer...


PSU | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: PSU
IP: Logged

6,102 posts
 

Shame it was done with higher taxes, though.

Yup, A damn shame.


Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง
So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.


Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง
So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.
And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last year

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 
In this thread:



So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.
And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last year

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312


That's great, but it wasn't their plan that was used to cut the defecit:

Quote
With its cuts to social programs including Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the poor and some people with disabilities, the measure will stand in stark contrast to a competing 2014 budget outline that Senate Democrats will unveil this week. That measure will rely partially on tax increases to get control of a massive government debt.

Their plan relies on cutting social programs like Medicaid - the Democrat's plan, the one currently in place and has been working, relies on higher taxes.



Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง
In this thread:



So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.
And the Republicans introduced a plan to cut the deficit last year

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/12/us-usa-fiscal-ryan-idUSBRE92B02E20130312


That's great, but it wasn't their plan that was used to cut the defecit:

Quote
With its cuts to social programs including Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the poor and some people with disabilities, the measure will stand in stark contrast to a competing 2014 budget outline that Senate Democrats will unveil this week. That measure will rely partially on tax increases to get control of a massive government debt.

Their plan relies on cutting social programs like Medicaid - the Democrat's plan, the one currently in place and has been working, relies on higher taxes.
Your bias is showing. Shouldn't you like, stay away from that?

Higher taxes are bad, especially since they were the ones who held Congress when the economy went to shit. That's just insult to injury when you ruin the economy and demand those same people to pay more to those who oversaw it


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 

Higher taxes are bad,

Your expertise on the subject is....?


Quote
especially since they were the ones who held Congress when the economy went to shit.

So, because the Democrats held Congress when the economy went to shit, it's their fault? You just confirmed your absolute lack of economics, and understanding that the Great Recession stems from problems dating back to the 1980's - Four Presidency's worth of snowballing into the economic collapse that Bush II only created worse.

Going to argue with me about that? Let's talk some facts before you, once again, backpedal.

The Housing Market:
  • Between 1997 and 2006, the price of the typical American house increased by 124%.Source
  • This housing bubble resulted in quite a few homeowners refinancing their homes at lower interest rates, or financing consumer spending by taking out second mortgages secured by the price appreciation.
  • Easy credit, and a belief that house prices would continue to appreciate, had encouraged many subprime borrowers to obtain adjustable-rate mortgages. These mortgages enticed borrowers with a below market interest rate for some predetermined period, followed by market interest rates for the remainder of the mortgage's term. Borrowers who could not make the higher payments once the initial grace period ended would try to refinance their mortgages. Refinancing became more difficult, once house prices began to decline in many parts of the USA. Borrowers who found themselves unable to escape higher monthly payments by refinancing began to default.
  • As of August 2008, 92% of all mortgages outstanding were either delinquent or in foreclosure.Source
  • According to the IMF: Household debt soared in the years leading up to the Great Recession. In advanced economies, during the five years preceding 2007, the ratio of household debt to income rose by an average of 39 percentage points, to 138 percent. In Denmark, Iceland, Ireland, the Netherlands, and Norway, debt peaked at more than 200 percent of household income.

Risk-Taking Behavior and Debt:

  • USA household debt as a percentage of annual disposable personal income was 127% at the end of 2007, versus 77% in 1990 Source
  • U.S. home mortgage debt relative to gross domestic product (GDP) increased from an average of 46% during the 1990s to 73% during 2008, reaching $10.5 trillion Source
  • In 1981, U.S. private debt was 123% of GDP; by the third quarter of 2008, it was 290% Source
  • In order to counter the Stock Market Crash of 2000 and the subsequent economic slowdown, the Federal Reserve eased credit availability and drove interest rates down to lows not seen in many decades. These low interest rates facilitated the growth of debt at all levels of the economy, chief among them private debt to purchase more expensive housing. High levels of debt have long been recognized as a causative factor for recessions.

Government Policies:
  • In 1992, the Democratic-controlled 102nd Congress under the George H. W. Bush administration weakened regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with the goal of making available more money for the issuance of home loans.
  • In 1999, the Republican controlled 106th Congress U.S. Congress under the Clinton administration passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933. This repeal has been criticized by some for having contributed to the proliferation of the complex and opaque financial instruments which are at the heart of the crisis.Source


By the time the effects actually hit us that we had fucked up the economy, Congress could do nothing to prevent it. We all fucked up. Congress, Democrats, Republicans, Citizens, Businesses, Economists. That is the cold hard fact. Spinning this around to solely blame the party in charge is a petty, uneducated move.

Quote
That's just insult to injury when you ruin the economy and demand those same people to pay more to those who oversaw it




Mad Max | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: madmax0808
ID: Mad Max
IP: Logged

7,553 posts
 


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 


Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง

>not understanding what generalizing is

I was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards this

Now I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg cuntrol" response like the biased person you are


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 

>not understanding what generalizing is

I was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards this

Now I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you are

> Presents entire post with details and sources saying why you're wrong
> "It's just a generalization, Obama didn't do anything"

Kinder, if you'd like to debate, be my guest. But actually come here prepared because at this point, unless you have some sources to back up that Democrats didn't successfully lower the deficit, you're wrong in this argument. There is a extreme difference between one party controlling Congress and the economy going to shit after twenty+ years of problems, and one party controlling Congress and enacting policies to lower a deficit.

Have a good day.
Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 02:14:47 PM by IcyWind


Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง

>not understanding what generalizing is

I was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards this

Now I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you are

> Presents entire post with details and sources saying why you're wrong
> "It's just a generalization, Obama didn't do anything"

Kinder, if you'd like to debate, be my guest. But actually come here prepared because at this point, unless you have some sources to back up that Democrats didn't successfully lower the deficit, you're wrong in this argument.

Have a good day.
Lol, you're just mad you thought I was being serious. Fucking lol. Go cry some more


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Going to stick my neck out and disagree with Icy here.

The government was largely responsible for the Great Recession, although certain not the Congress. Tight money from the Federal Reserve turned, what would be, a minor debt issue into a fiasco through tight money and allowing nominal GDP to tank. It was essentially the same with the Great Depression; tight money causes economic contraction, which in turn reduces liquidity and creates debt crises and bank failures.

As for the supposed recklessness with banks and mortgages? That was probably due to government regulation encouraging banks to pour money into such assets, since mortgages were deemed relatively safe. It was, most likely, a case of ignorance over recklessness.
Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 02:18:58 PM by Meta Cognition


rC | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: RC5908
IP: Logged

10,850 posts
ayy lmao

>not understanding what generalizing is

I was showing how stupid it is to say Obama is the reason why the deficit has decreased by stating that Democrats were in control of Congress when the economy fell. There's more factors than a single person/group when it comes towards this

Now I just wait for your patheitc "hur demeg puntrol" response like the biased person you are
a
*an

opinion discarded


Word Wizard | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: WordWizard
ID: Sly Instict
IP: Logged

2,697 posts
 

Lol, you're just mad you thought I was being serious. fracking lol. Go cry some more

This is the serious forum, no?


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 
Going to stick my neck out and disagree with Icy here.

The government was largely responsible for the Great Recession, although certain not the Congress. Tight money from the Federal Reserve caused, what would be, a minor debt issue into a fiasco through tight money and allowing nominal GDP to tank. It was essentially the same with the Great Depression; tight money causes economic contraction, which in turn reduces liquidity and creates debt crises and bank failures.

As for the supposed recklessness with banks and mortgages? That was probably due to government regulation encouraging banks to pour money into such assets, since mortgages were deemed relatively safe. It was, most likely, a case of ignorance over recklessness.

Yes, the Government does hold a responsibility. My post did not intend to make it seem as if the entire US (And other nation's) governments were not at fault, but there is more to the argument then Kinder ranting about Democrat's controlling Congress.

However, fault also comes with the banks and civilians who used the deregulations and ran with it - similar to the 1920's credit crisis that escalated the collapse for the Great Depression.


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
1920's credit crisis
Sorry, could you elaborate?

Are you referring to 1929?

Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 02:24:51 PM by Meta Cognition


rC | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: RC5908
IP: Logged

10,850 posts
ayy lmao
1920's credit crisis
Sorry, could you elaborate?
2 much borrow, 2 little monies


Kinder Graham | Respected Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: TFL Blazing
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IchEsseKinder
IP: Logged

7,338 posts
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
(ง ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)ง

Lol, you're just mad you thought I was being serious. fracking lol. Go cry some more

This is the serious forum, no?
Then why are you here?


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 
1920's credit crisis
Sorry, could you elaborate?

Staple of the American economy of the 1920's - a large chunk of people purchased a shit ton of stuff on credit, including stocks for the market, because everyone thought the period of prosperity for our economy would never end. When the Stock Market did crash, the credit bubble popped, and it helped to intensify the immediate effects for citizens because none of them had the actual money to pay off their credit debts as the banks caved.

It's not exactly identical to the problems that grew into the Great Recession, but the common factor is people biting off more then they can chew and buying extravagant things (In this case, large houses with huge mortgages) that they could never afford.
Last Edit: October 17, 2014, 02:26:54 PM by IcyWind


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
When the Stock Market did crash, the credit bubble popped, and it helped to intensify the immediate effects for citizens because none of them had the actual money to pay off their credit debts as the banks caved.

My argument here is that the banks' responsibility is minimal, because the Fed operated on a very tight monetary regime which allowed nominal GDP to fall dramatically. The banking crises of the Depression happened largely in the early '30s, as opposed to '29, as the banks couldn't deal with the lack of liquidity in the market.

Think of it as if the causation were reversed. The stock market crash died because the economy was suffering from a demand for money, and when the stock market did crash, it increased that demand and it just got worse and worse because the Fed didn't respond. Ben Bernanke former chairman of the Fed, has accepted this account - developed my Milton Friedman - to be factual.


 
Alternative Facts
| Mythic Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: IcyWind
IP: Logged

9,461 posts
 
When the Stock Market did crash, the credit bubble popped, and it helped to intensify the immediate effects for citizens because none of them had the actual money to pay off their credit debts as the banks caved.

My argument here is that the banks' responsibility is minimal, because the Fed operated on a very tight monetary regime which allowed nominal GDP to fall dramatically. The banking crises of the Depression happened largely in the early '30s, as opposed to '29, as the banks couldn't deal with the lack of liquidity in the market.

Think of it as if the causation were reversed. The stock market crash died because the economy was suffering from a demand for money, and when the stock market did crash, it increased that demand and it just got worse and worse because the Fed didn't respond. Ben Bernanke former chairman of the Fed, has accepted this account - developed my Milton Friedman - to be factual.

I see what you mean.


Word Wizard | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: WordWizard
ID: Sly Instict
IP: Logged

2,697 posts
 

Then why are you here?

This isn't about me.


Forgewolf | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL: Forgewolf
PSN:
Steam: Forgewolf
ID: Forgewolf
IP: Logged

1,955 posts
We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
How did we lower our 17 Trillion deficit below the.. what was it? less than 1 trillion deficit?


Turkey | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Viva Redemption
PSN: HurtfulTurkey
Steam: HurtfulTurkey
ID: HurtfulTurkey
IP: Logged

8,120 posts
 
So does that mean Democrats created the recession since they had majority hold of Congress?
No. The Federal Reserve created the Recession.

Did you ever see the movie "Too Big to Fail"?

Quote
How did we lower our 17 Trillion deficit below the.. what was it? less than 1 trillion deficit?


National debt =/= budget deficit. The budget deficit is just for this year's budget.
Last Edit: October 18, 2014, 12:17:33 AM by E̲n̲g̲a̲g̲e̲d̲T̲u̲r̲k̲e̲y̲


Camnator | Incoherent Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: DownAuto29
IP: Logged

3,991 posts
 
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,138 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.