NASA has to make an unmanned mission to Europa, by law

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It's old, but it's an interesting article. Basically, the US government gave NASA a couple million extra to upgrade their Europa flyby mission (The ice-moon of Jupiter) to one which will land a rover to search for alien life, despite NASA never even asking for money in the first place for the mission.

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In a rather intriguing twist, it appears that NASA is now mandated by law to fly a robotic mission to Jupiter’s watery moon Europa. Europa is an incredibly exciting science target, as it’s believed to have a 100-kilometer-thick (62 miles) outer layer of water, with water ice on top (it’s very cold out there) and a liquid water ocean beneath that. It’s believed that there’s more water on Europa than the entirety of Earth, despite being just a quarter the width of Earth. As we continue to learn more about the tenacious lifeforms found in deep, cold waters here on Earth, excitement grows over the possibility of Europa’s oceans harboring extraterrestrial life.

Up until the ’70s, the prevailing theory was that all life on Earth was dependent on energy from the Sun (i.e. everything ultimately revolves around photosynthesizing plants). Then, in 1977, an exploratory dive in the Galapagos Rift discovered giant tube worms, clams, and other crustaceans that survived without any access to the Sun. As it turned out, they were feeding on bacteria that got their energy from hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide emanating from underwater volcanic vents. There was a whole food chain down there that didn’t rely on the Sun at all. Cue much excited theorizing about the possibility of finding life in Europa’s massive oceans.

Europa (bottom left), Moon (top left), Earth (right) - size comparison
Europa (bottom left), Moon (top left), Earth (right) – size comparison
By the time the Voyager probes had flown through the Jovian system in 1979, scientists were fairly sure that Europa had an icy crust, and possibly a liquid ocean beneath. Further investigation by Galileo and New Horizons have provided yet more data (and some lovely images, such as the one at the top of the story, captured by Galileo). Now, we’re almost certain that there’s liquid water on Europa — and so the next stage is sending some kind of robotic probe or rover out there, to do some real, up-close-and-personal science.

And this is the weird bit: It seems, thanks to Houston Congressman John Culberson, who appears to be a bit of a science nerd, that NASA is now mandated by law to develop a mission to Europa. Culberson is basically forcing this mission upon NASA: In 2013 and 2014, despite NASA not requesting any money for a Europa mission, Culberson gave it $43 million and $80 million respectively. In the 2014 budget bill, finalized in December, there’s not a single mention of Mars or the Moon, but Europa’s right there on page 159. Culberson is expected to become the next chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee, too — and if that happens, NASA may find itself very flush indeed. This is rather refreshing, after years of budget cuts/stagnation!

Europa poster diagram, showing its (theorized) structure
Europa poster diagram, showing its (theorized) structure
In an interview with the Houston Chronicle, Culberson had these rather uplifting words to say about Europa in specific and space exploration in general:

If I’m successful in becoming chairman of the subcommittee that’s going to be right when the Europa mission will need its maximum funding. It needs to be a flagship mission. The biggest and best we’ve ever flown … I got on this incredible committee where I will be in exactly the right place at the right time to be able to help turn NASA around, to not only preserve America’s leadership role in space, but I also hope to be a key part in discovering life on another world for the first time. We’re only going to have one chance at this in our lifetimes. We’ve got one shot. I want to make sure you and I are here to see those first tube worms and lobsters on Europa.

As for an actual timeline for those first tube worms, if they exist, it’s still very, very early days. It seems, after two years of having money forced upon it, NASA finally caved and actually asked for $15 million in 2015 to help plan the Europa mission. All we really have to go on right now are the words of NASA’s CFO, Elizabeth Robinson, who said the launch could come as soon as the mid-2020s — probably after we launch the next Mars rover in 2020.

We are living in interesting times! Who knows, maybe it won’t be the next generation of space telescopes that discovers the first instance of extraterrestrial life — maybe it’ll be a NASA rover, right here in our own Solar System.

I thought I'd bring it up as over the past few months, we've had a lot of pretty cool stuff happening with space exploration; landing a probe on a comet, discovering the presence of liquid water on mars, gravitational waves being confirmed and the recent launch of a new probe to land on mars, and I'm interested in what people think of space travel and research in general - does the possibility of being able to import water from the outer solar system and mine practically infinite materials from the asteroid belt make investing in space infrastructure worth it in the long run or do you think that NASA/ ESA and other space agencies are a waste of time and money that could be spent somewhere else? I'm interested to see what people like Meta think about this, as there's a couple of people who post on serious who I've never really seen post their opinions on this kind of thing.


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Why not Enceladus tho


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Why not Enceladus tho

Europa is a moon of jupiter. Enceladus is a moon of saturn.

Europa is closer and more people know about it.


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If we do find life on that moon how are religious people going to handle that? I know the bible would get rewritten to have a passage about god creating life in places outside the Earth. 
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Why not Enceladus tho

Europa is a moon of jupiter. Enceladus is a moon of saturn.

Europa is closer and more people know about it.

Yea I know, but it's basically confirmed that Enceladus has a liquid water ocean beneath the surface and there are multiple geysers/ crevases that could be utilized for easier study.

I always assumed we had more data to support going there rather than europa


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Why not Enceladus tho

Europa is a moon of jupiter. Enceladus is a moon of saturn.

Europa is closer and more people know about it.

Yea I know, but it's basically confirmed that Enceladus has a liquid water ocean beneath the surface and there are multiple geysers/ crevases that could be utilized for easier study.

I always assumed we had more data to support going there rather than europa

The original mission was simply a couple flybys to map the surface of europa. The $43 million is essentially the government asking them to attach a probe to the mission that was already being planned - original intention was never to actually land.

I'm interested to see how they will tackle this as they need to mount the drone on the original probe design, and find a way to land it o  the surface when we don't have much info on viable landing sites. The guys at NASA are fucking wizards, though, so there's no doubt they can do it.


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If we do find life on that moon how are religious people going to handle that? I know the people would get rewritten to have a passage about god creating life in places outside the Earth.

I think that ever sinve knowledge that Earth isn't the only planet in the universe (And of course science fiction) became more accepted, most religious folks have been pretty okay with the idea. Not including the batshit insane ones who would scream demons or devilspawn or something if they did turn up.


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If we do find life on that moon how are religious people going to handle that? I know the people would get rewritten to have a passage about god creating life in places outside the Earth.

I believe there is life outside of earth anyway. Why would this impact religion at all?


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inb4 Trump becomes president and cuts the founding for that mission to be spent on the military.

So? We need to take care of ourselves on earth more before we venture out into fuckin space. If your house is on fire you don't leave it to go to the supermarket.


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Space, definitely. Not even a magnificent reason for it, space is just awesome.

inb4 Trump becomes president and cuts the founding for that mission to be spent on the military.

So? We need to take care of ourselves on earth more before we venture out into fuckin space. If your house is on fire you don't leave it to go to the supermarket.
I won't have any peanut butter if my house burns down.


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For christians with a more nuanced understanding of their religious texts, it's interesting, and raises some questions, but isn't a huge deal.

What kind of questions?


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If we do find life on that moon how are religious people going to handle that? I know the people would get rewritten to have a passage about god creating life in places outside the Earth.

"That life was planted there by Satan to trick us."


 
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I'd prefer a rover landing, fly by missions make me sad


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For christians with a more nuanced understanding of their religious texts, it's interesting, and raises some questions, but isn't a huge deal.

What kind of questions?
How does this tie into our theology, if at all? Did God perhaps have some plan for us to encounter this life one day, or is their path independent from ours? Should we be interfering with them.

More importantly, if we encounter intelligent life, we would have to ask very challenging questions- did Christ just save mankind, or did he save all intelligent life? Does sin affect these extraterrestrials as it affects us?

Huh, that's interesting. It's not something I know much about (The religion side of things). Never really thought about how contact would look from that perspective.


 
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I'd prefer a rover landing, fly by missions make me sad

Fly "bye" missions


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Really interesting mission. I imagine it will be a full on nuclear space submarine, a rather impressive first.

Plus it gives SLS something actually do, especially given they'll need it to have any chance of actually landing there.


 
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I really, really, don't care for any flavour of space travel. Seems like a waste of time and resources.


 
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I really, really, don't care for any flavour of space travel. Seems like a waste of time and resources.

Asteroids make great mining resources so we don't have to fuck up our turf.


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Good luck drilling through miles of ice as hard as granite.


 
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Good luck drilling through miles of ice as hard as granite.

That's what a skeptic told me when I worked on a roof one day. "Lul good luck cutting away 15 years of tar tiles and removing them!"

That's when I got to show off my super special equipment. A heavy industrial saw with diamond grained tips.

Give the nerds at Nasa some thinking time and crack a whip and say "money" as you point at corporations and then to the asteroid fields in our system, and those two will find a way.


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Give the nerds at Nasa some thinking time and crack a whip and say "money" as you point at corporations and then to the asteroid fields in our system, and those two will find a way.
That operation would require technology and resources that aren't practical whatsoever to send to Europa right now. It's not happening any time soon, and it's not as simple as just "Well NASA people are smart, they can figure it out if you give them a lot of money." There are a ton of challenges associated with pulling off something like this.


 
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Give the nerds at Nasa some thinking time and crack a whip and say "money" as you point at corporations and then to the asteroid fields in our system, and those two will find a way.
That operation would require technology and resources that aren't practical whatsoever to send to Europa right now. It's not happening any time soon, and it's not as simple as just "Well NASA people are smart, they can figure it out if you give them a lot of money." There are a ton of challenges associated with pulling off something like this.

Wrong page. My bad. I thought you were talking about my mentioning of asteroids and passerby comets.


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inb4 Trump becomes president and cuts the founding for that mission to be spent on the military.

So? We need to take care of ourselves on earth more before we venture out into fuckin space. If your house is on fire you don't leave it to go to the supermarket.
At this point what about our military needs taking care of where it couldn't go years without anything new like vehicles or weapons? To put it into perspective about how large and powerful it is we have 10 actual aircraft carriers while the other countries with them don't even have 5. At this point we just need to worry about paying people and doing upgrading to things that are old, not building more jets which are just going to sit there.


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Good luck drilling through miles of ice as hard as granite.


Granite is not necessarily difficult to mine if the resource within/below is worth it.

Diamond drilling, yo


 
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Good luck drilling through miles of ice as hard as granite.

Granite is not necessarily difficult to mine if the resource within/below is worth it.

Diamond drilling, yo

Yeah, but unfortunately, the nuclear test ban treaty means no Orion drives in the foreeable future. Without having an engine putting out enough power to torch madagascar, getting enough equipment to drill through that across the solar system is pretty difficult.