While it's definitely not child abuse on the level of "you fucked up, pick between a belt, stick, or wrench for me to punish you with," it's not something insignificant. I'd definitely condemn anyone who did that to their child. Smoking weed while pregnant, though, is harmless.
I would say so, yes. The child becomes much more likely to be fucked up for life and it's entirely the mother's fault for being irresponsible. It's not like...beating your kid senseless, but it's equally bad.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 21, 2015, 11:00:21 PMWhile it's definitely not child abuse on the level of "you fucked up, pick between a belt, stick, or wrench for me to punish you with," it's not something insignificant. I'd definitely condemn anyone who did that to their child. Smoking weed while pregnant, though, is harmless.It could be argued that alcohol or drug use has much longer-lasting impacts than even physical beatings. In the scenario I included in the OP, the couple's kid is going to die in a few days because of defects caused by incest.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on January 21, 2015, 11:06:31 PMI would say so, yes. The child becomes much more likely to be fucked up for life and it's entirely the mother's fault for being irresponsible. It's not like...beating your kid senseless, but it's equally bad.I'd rather be beaten a bit too much than live with the effects of FAS.
If she's intending to keep it then yes.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on January 22, 2015, 06:16:41 AMIf she's intending to keep it then yes.Are you...saying that if the baby is going up for adoption that it doesn't matter? Please tell me that's not what you mean.
Quote from: XxNuKeZxX on January 22, 2015, 06:18:07 AMQuote from: Madman Mordo on January 22, 2015, 06:16:41 AMIf she's intending to keep it then yes.Are you...saying that if the baby is going up for adoption that it doesn't matter? Please tell me that's not what you mean.No.As in if she intends to keep the pregnancy after the third trimester.
It's not a human at that point,
Quote from: Nagato on January 22, 2015, 03:07:12 AMIt's not a human at that point, I think the word you're looking for is 'person'. Fetuses are human.
I think the word you're looking for is 'person'. Fetuses are human.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on January 22, 2015, 09:27:37 AMI think the word you're looking for is 'person'. Fetuses are human.Even if they weren't biologically human, it seems pertinent to bestow personhood upon them at least from the point at which the CNS is developed, if not conception.
Really? I'd always taken you as a 'personhood at birth' kinda guy.
There is some evidence that moderate cannabis and alcohol use has no adverse effect on a fetus, but if you honestly risk something like that without 100% proof you're entirely irresponsible and yes, it is abuse. This got me considering something. Say you're for abortion, should you then not also be completely fine with a pregnant woman doing ANY type of drug while pregnant? Provided she gets an abortion within a month or so, of course.