In Honor of the Vote for a 28th Amendment...

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Uhhhhh, hell yeah there is. What part of the government taking phone records of Verizon customers don't you understand? Might as well set fire to the Constitution and let an authoritarian government exist
You should not talk about the Constitution when you openly defend police officers completely disregarding it.
Except I don't. I only defend police officers that have done nothing wrong from the public who likes to generalize all cops as bad


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Not giving corporations equal Constitutional protection means the government can go in and take phone records from Verizon and information from Google
Umm. . . What?

The information the government would be "allowed" to take still belongs to a person with rights. A multitude of them, in fact.
Then why doesn't the government get search warrants for the individuals who the records belong to?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Then why doesn't the government get search warrants for the individuals who the records belong to?
Gee, I don't know. It's not like the government ever acts unconstitutionally.


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I'm split on this. One one hand you obviously have corporations bribing officials. On the other hand donating to your candidate can be viewed as an expression of your 1st Amendment and restricting that would be restricting the 1st Amendment. Really interested to see where this goes. Although seeing as how politicians, especially Senators, are wealthy individuals they have friends and connections who do donate large amounts to campaign funds.

Here's a list of the top 50 richest Senators, with the top 10 consisting of 7 Democrats (tells you a lot with just that)
http://www.rollcall.com/50richest/the-50-richest-members-of-congress-112th.html
The first amendment applies to people.

Corporations and  Super PACs are not people
Actually, corporations are people. Defined by legal standards of course and can express Constitutional rights
That's the problem - corporations shouldn't be legally defined as people. Corporations are made up of people, but it shouldn't have the constitutional rights of a person, itself.
And I have to disagree. Not giving corporations equal Constitutional protection means the government can go in and take phone records from Verizon and information from Google. It also means corporations can't fully express themselves as they are not protected by the 1st Amendment
And there's a problem with that?
Uhhhhh, hell yeah there is. What part of the government taking phone records of Verizon customers don't you understand? Might as well set fire to the Constitution and let an authoritarian government exist
>implying they don't already do that
They do, but they're following the Constitution and law by presenting reasonable suspicion to a judge and then obtaining a warrant for specific records for specific individuals


 
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Nobody should be allowed to donate anything. Money shouldn't even be a factor.
Now that's just impractical
Not at all. Money should not be a factor in who gets to hold any kind of office.
Candidates have used money to campaign since Washington's time when politicians were honest. No one would ever get to know anything about the candidates because they wouldn't have any print, tv, or radio to get word of the candidates' views. Elections would be a total clusterfuck.
I'm talking about donations.

Besides, you don't need much to travel and give speeches.

And politicians weren't honest back then.
And what do you think donations go to? It funds the entire campaign, with the most expensive being television ads. Campaigns are not affordable and back in 2012, Obama raised around $775M and spent  $606M of it


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Nobody should be allowed to donate anything. Money shouldn't even be a factor.
Now that's just impractical
Not at all. Money should not be a factor in who gets to hold any kind of office.
Candidates have used money to campaign since Washington's time when politicians were honest. No one would ever get to know anything about the candidates because they wouldn't have any print, tv, or radio to get word of the candidates' views. Elections would be a total clusterfuck.
I'm talking about donations.

Besides, you don't need much to travel and give speeches.

And politicians weren't honest back then.
And what do you think donations go to? It funds the entire campaign, with the most expensive being television ads. Campaigns are not affordable and back in 2012, Obama raised around $775M and spent  $606M of it
That's the problem. The whole system needs to be changed in terms of campaigning and fundraising.
Then what's your idea? If people want to win an office then they need to keep up with technology and the younger people. A big part of that is through mass media like television and internet ads and they are not cheap, especially when the owners and networks know how big political campaigning is. Of course, candidates could cut back on ads because it's annoying for everybody to watch the same one 5 times in a row during one commercial break


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