Quote from: Nick McIntyre on October 19, 2014, 04:47:11 PMHave you even tried living on $8? When I first started at Walmart I was making under $9 and worked an average of maybe 30 hours a week. I wouldn't even be able to live by myself, and even if I had roomates they'd most likely be having to dish out larger portions of rent money, or I'd have to spend all my money on rent/car payments and wait until the next paycheck to even think about food.After three years, I'm a little bit luckier. Only a little. I just hit the $10.60 mark (mainly because of a yearly raise and jumpstarting to a level 4 position) but after taxes, car payments, health insurance, rent, and putting fuel in my car, I'll be lucky to have a quarter of a shopping cart of groceries. QuoteWhy should you be able to live on your own only working 30 hours a week? Because until I move out next year, I'm one of the fortunate people that can live with the family while helping pay off bills. But there are people out there who are essentially forced to live that kind of Hell.Quote No one is forcing you to own a carI actually do need to own a car, as I live out in the rural area with my place of work being half an hour away when I drive.Quote or purchase food. Grow your own.I do, but you can only tolerate eating nothing but potatoes, carrots, eggs, tomatoes and peppers for so long. QuoteAnd you're supposed to push yourself above minimum wage by moving up in a company, Which took me THREE frackING YEARS to even get out of a level 1 basic job because Walmart loves their politics. I was one of their best people in that job, but myself and the other two that busted their asses with me kept getting jerked around. And before you say "find a new job", there's only so many jobs you can get in a tiny ass town.Quoteor start your own company and pay your eventual employees whatever you want. You're making it sound too easy when it is actually one of the most difficult, stressful things someone could do to themselves, especially when you're in a tiny town dominated by Wal-Mart and other Big Corp companies. Taking out loans to get your business on the road, being in a nice debt for a good while, possibly seeing your customers go get cheap Chinamen-made crap because it's "OH SO CHEAP" and seeing your business suffer. Yeah, sounds absolutely stunning.
Have you even tried living on $8? When I first started at Walmart I was making under $9 and worked an average of maybe 30 hours a week. I wouldn't even be able to live by myself, and even if I had roomates they'd most likely be having to dish out larger portions of rent money, or I'd have to spend all my money on rent/car payments and wait until the next paycheck to even think about food.After three years, I'm a little bit luckier. Only a little. I just hit the $10.60 mark (mainly because of a yearly raise and jumpstarting to a level 4 position) but after taxes, car payments, health insurance, rent, and putting fuel in my car, I'll be lucky to have a quarter of a shopping cart of groceries.
Why should you be able to live on your own only working 30 hours a week?
No one is forcing you to own a car
or purchase food. Grow your own.
And you're supposed to push yourself above minimum wage by moving up in a company,
or start your own company and pay your eventual employees whatever you want.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 19, 2014, 05:21:33 PMDude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.If you have no argument then don't post in serious. ALso, trolls are not real.
Dude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.
Quote from: Nuka on October 19, 2014, 05:28:30 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 19, 2014, 05:23:31 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on October 19, 2014, 05:21:33 PMDude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.If you have no argument then don't post in serious. ALso, trolls are not real.For real, just stay in the Flood where you belong. We're trying to have an actual discussion here.Take your own advice, as you were the first one not to partake in the discussion and are now being irrelevant. If you can't refute my claims then just refrain from responding.
Quote from: Camnator on October 19, 2014, 05:23:31 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on October 19, 2014, 05:21:33 PMDude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.If you have no argument then don't post in serious. ALso, trolls are not real.For real, just stay in the Flood where you belong. We're trying to have an actual discussion here.
Everybody cool it or I'm calling Obama.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on October 19, 2014, 05:02:21 PMHave you even tried living on $8? When I first started at Walmart I was making under $9 and worked an average of maybe 30 hours a week. I wouldn't even be able to live by myself, and even if I had roomates they'd most likely be having to dish out larger portions of rent money, or I'd have to spend all my money on rent/car payments and wait until the next paycheck to even think about food.After three years, I'm a little bit luckier. Only a little. I just hit the $10.60 mark (mainly because of a yearly raise and jumpstarting to a level 4 position) but after taxes, car payments, health insurance, rent, and putting fuel in my car, I'll be lucky to have a quarter of a shopping cart of groceries. QuoteWhy should you be able to live on your own only working 30 hours a week? Because until I move out next year, I'm one of the fortunate people that can live with the family while helping pay off bills. But there are people out there who are essentially forced to live that kind of Hell.Quote No one is forcing you to own a carI actually do need to own a car, as I live out in the rural area with my place of work being half an hour away when I drive.Quote or purchase food. Grow your own.I do, but you can only tolerate eating nothing but potatoes, carrots, eggs, tomatoes and peppers for so long. QuoteAnd you're supposed to push yourself above minimum wage by moving up in a company, Which took me THREE frackING YEARS to even get out of a level 1 basic job because Walmart loves their politics. I was one of their best people in that job, but myself and the other two that busted their asses with me kept getting jerked around. And before you say "find a new job", there's only so many jobs you can get in a tiny ass town.Quoteor start your own company and pay your eventual employees whatever you want. You're making it sound too easy when it is actually one of the most difficult, stressful things someone could do to themselves, especially when you're in a tiny town dominated by Wal-Mart and other Big Corp companies. Taking out loans to get your business on the road, being in a nice debt for a good while, possibly seeing your customers go get cheap Chinamen-made crap because it's "OH SO CHEAP" and seeing your business suffer. Yeah, sounds absolutely stunning.Dude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.
Have you even tried living on $8? When I first started at Walmart I was making under $9 and worked an average of maybe 30 hours a week. I wouldn't even be able to live by myself, and even if I had roomates they'd most likely be having to dish out larger portions of rent money, or I'd have to spend all my money on rent/car payments and wait until the next paycheck to even think about food.After three years, I'm a little bit luckier. Only a little. I just hit the $10.60 mark (mainly because of a yearly raise and jumpstarting to a level 4 position) but after taxes, car payments, health insurance, rent, and putting fuel in my car, I'll be lucky to have a quarter of a shopping cart of groceries. QuoteWhy should you be able to live on your own only working 30 hours a week? Because until I move out next year, I'm one of the fortunate people that can live with the family while helping pay off bills. But there are people out there who are essentially forced to live that kind of Hell.Quote No one is forcing you to own a carI actually do need to own a car, as I live out in the rural area with my place of work being half an hour away when I drive.Quote or purchase food. Grow your own.I do, but you can only tolerate eating nothing but potatoes, carrots, eggs, tomatoes and peppers for so long. QuoteAnd you're supposed to push yourself above minimum wage by moving up in a company, Which took me THREE frackING YEARS to even get out of a level 1 basic job because Walmart loves their politics. I was one of their best people in that job, but myself and the other two that busted their asses with me kept getting jerked around. And before you say "find a new job", there's only so many jobs you can get in a tiny ass town.Quoteor start your own company and pay your eventual employees whatever you want. You're making it sound too easy when it is actually one of the most difficult, stressful things someone could do to themselves, especially when you're in a tiny town dominated by Wal-Mart and other Big Corp companies. Taking out loans to get your business on the road, being in a nice debt for a good while, possibly seeing your customers go get cheap Chinamen-made crap because it's "OH SO CHEAP" and seeing your business suffer. Yeah, sounds absolutely stunning.
Quote from: Camnator on October 18, 2014, 09:00:28 PMQuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even watch the video?And no, no one can live on just $8 an hour. That's impossible. Good luck getting past monthly rent.
QuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.
Not only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.
Quote from: Nuka on October 18, 2014, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 18, 2014, 09:00:28 PMQuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even watch the video?And no, no one can live on just $8 an hour. That's impossible. Good luck getting past monthly rent.You can, I barely make $230 every 2 weeks. That's only about 20 hours or so. Working full time doubles it and overtime can pay rent if you're smart about the budget.
Quote from: Gasai Yuno on October 20, 2014, 12:50:54 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 18, 2014, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 18, 2014, 09:00:28 PMQuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even watch the video?And no, no one can live on just $8 an hour. That's impossible. Good luck getting past monthly rent.You can, I barely make $230 every 2 weeks. That's only about 20 hours or so. Working full time doubles it and overtime can pay rent if you're smart about the budget.What area are you from though?
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 19, 2014, 02:35:24 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 19, 2014, 02:33:17 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 19, 2014, 02:31:24 AMI think part of the problem is where you live.Anyone living in my area or even my state could easily live off of $8 an hour.Yeah, I suppose it's a regional thing. That's why minimum wage laws are different everywhere.For instance where I live you could rent a 2-3 bedroom nice apartment for $400-$500 a monthHoly shit. You can't even get a crappy 1 room studio apartment here for that... those run for $600 at the lowest
Quote from: Nuka on October 19, 2014, 02:33:17 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 19, 2014, 02:31:24 AMI think part of the problem is where you live.Anyone living in my area or even my state could easily live off of $8 an hour.Yeah, I suppose it's a regional thing. That's why minimum wage laws are different everywhere.For instance where I live you could rent a 2-3 bedroom nice apartment for $400-$500 a month
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 19, 2014, 02:31:24 AMI think part of the problem is where you live.Anyone living in my area or even my state could easily live off of $8 an hour.Yeah, I suppose it's a regional thing. That's why minimum wage laws are different everywhere.
I think part of the problem is where you live.Anyone living in my area or even my state could easily live off of $8 an hour.
Quote from: Nuka on October 20, 2014, 12:53:16 AMQuote from: Gasai Yuno on October 20, 2014, 12:50:54 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 18, 2014, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 18, 2014, 09:00:28 PMQuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even watch the video?And no, no one can live on just $8 an hour. That's impossible. Good luck getting past monthly rent.You can, I barely make $230 every 2 weeks. That's only about 20 hours or so. Working full time doubles it and overtime can pay rent if you're smart about the budget.What area are you from though?Arizona. Minimum wage is $7.90, so little less than your $8 thing example penis
Quote from: Gasai Yuno on October 20, 2014, 12:56:04 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 20, 2014, 12:53:16 AMQuote from: Gasai Yuno on October 20, 2014, 12:50:54 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 18, 2014, 09:01:57 PMQuote from: Camnator on October 18, 2014, 09:00:28 PMQuoteNot only is that missing massive variables, it's an argument against food stamps, not wages. No one is forcing people to work at Wal-Mart, and you could easily live on $8 an hour. Once again, the problem is the government itself. They've destroyed the economy beyond repair. Raising wages would make things slightly better temporarily, but things would become much worse later on as it's ignoring the actual problem.Why do I get the feeling that you didn't even watch the video?And no, no one can live on just $8 an hour. That's impossible. Good luck getting past monthly rent.You can, I barely make $230 every 2 weeks. That's only about 20 hours or so. Working full time doubles it and overtime can pay rent if you're smart about the budget.What area are you from though?Arizona. Minimum wage is $7.90, so little less than your $8 thing example penisAs an Arizonan I can confirm that it's possible to live on minimum wage here, but if you're paying a car bill, phone bill, and insurance, it's very uncomfortable.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on October 19, 2014, 05:21:33 PMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on October 19, 2014, 05:02:21 PMHave you even tried living on $8? When I first started at Walmart I was making under $9 and worked an average of maybe 30 hours a week. I wouldn't even be able to live by myself, and even if I had roomates they'd most likely be having to dish out larger portions of rent money, or I'd have to spend all my money on rent/car payments and wait until the next paycheck to even think about food.After three years, I'm a little bit luckier. Only a little. I just hit the $10.60 mark (mainly because of a yearly raise and jumpstarting to a level 4 position) but after taxes, car payments, health insurance, rent, and putting fuel in my car, I'll be lucky to have a quarter of a shopping cart of groceries. QuoteWhy should you be able to live on your own only working 30 hours a week? Because until I move out next year, I'm one of the fortunate people that can live with the family while helping pay off bills. But there are people out there who are essentially forced to live that kind of Hell.Quote No one is forcing you to own a carI actually do need to own a car, as I live out in the rural area with my place of work being half an hour away when I drive.Quote or purchase food. Grow your own.I do, but you can only tolerate eating nothing but potatoes, carrots, eggs, tomatoes and peppers for so long. QuoteAnd you're supposed to push yourself above minimum wage by moving up in a company, Which took me THREE frackING YEARS to even get out of a level 1 basic job because Walmart loves their politics. I was one of their best people in that job, but myself and the other two that busted their asses with me kept getting jerked around. And before you say "find a new job", there's only so many jobs you can get in a tiny ass town.Quoteor start your own company and pay your eventual employees whatever you want. You're making it sound too easy when it is actually one of the most difficult, stressful things someone could do to themselves, especially when you're in a tiny town dominated by Wal-Mart and other Big Corp companies. Taking out loans to get your business on the road, being in a nice debt for a good while, possibly seeing your customers go get cheap Chinamen-made crap because it's "OH SO CHEAP" and seeing your business suffer. Yeah, sounds absolutely stunning.Dude, don't waste your breath on Camnator.>mordo>disregarding people because they don't think what he thinksNothing new here
They are getting above minimum wage. If they want better pay, learn a skill or get better education. Tough shit if they can't. Enough with this "no one left behind" type of mentality. If you are a high school drop out working at Walmart, you don't deserve or are entitled to anything than minimum wage.
Quote from: Tackelberry on October 21, 2014, 05:17:07 PMThey are getting above minimum wage. If they want better pay, learn a skill or get better education. Tough shit if they can't. Enough with this "no one left behind" type of mentality. If you are a high school drop out working at Walmart, you don't deserve or are entitled to anything than minimum wage.But should not that minimum wage reflect the cost of living in the area?
Universal Basic Income, that takes into account the basic needs cost with a 10% or 20% extra cash for personal fun use. It will solve the issue as it allows people who want to improve and become functioning members of society to succeed and do so while those who want to waste it let them do it and complain about it afterwards. It is their fault for spending it on drugs.
If Walmart Paid Its Employees a Living Wage, How Much Would Prices Go Up?
