I was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racist
Quote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.
Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.youre right. im ancap now
Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.
Quote from: Genghis Khan on February 15, 2018, 01:19:08 PMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 04:01:39 PMQuote from: Genghis Khan on February 15, 2018, 01:19:08 PMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.The notion of a political spectrum in the current year is brainlet-fodder.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 05:24:33 PMQuote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 15, 2018, 04:50:55 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 04:01:39 PMQuote from: Genghis Khan on February 15, 2018, 01:19:08 PMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.The notion of a political spectrum in the current year is brainlet-fodder.If you were to say the concept of a spectrum is a spookFirstly I'm going to have to tell you that you have an understanding of that phrase inconsistent with Stirner. Spooks dictate your behavior. The political spectrum is simply an anachronistic idea.The notion of a coherent left-right spectrum outside of the context of revolutionary-era France is indefensible. The idea refers very specifically to the arrangement of the french national assembly. The factional arrangement itself was rejected by the so-called "right" who were generally opposed to the formation of political parties, they simply sat where they did to avoid jeers and autistic screeching from the "leftists" through safety in numbers.Any use of the spectrum outside of this context is, again, brainletism.
Quote from: ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ on February 15, 2018, 04:50:55 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 04:01:39 PMQuote from: Genghis Khan on February 15, 2018, 01:19:08 PMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 01:04:56 PMQuote from: i am karjala takaisin on February 15, 2018, 12:22:08 PMI was actually kidding about all that leftism stuff im a facsist now. im racistI mean you can totally be on the right and be against authoritarianism.No such thing as right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing supports limited government.That's a gross oversimplification of the political spectrum, the right has always been for maintaining the status quo, the left has always been anti-status quo. The left has anti-authoritarian ideologies, such as Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism, which are against all authority and the like, and the right has ideologies such as Anarcho-Capitalism, which is against government but for corporate control.The notion of a political spectrum in the current year is brainlet-fodder.If you were to say the concept of a spectrum is a spook
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 10:55:51 AMQuote from: challengerX on February 15, 2018, 10:40:46 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:36:35 AMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom."Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.Some studies have shown that humans are actually significantly more empathetic and kind than you'd think. I don't agree that Capitalism is the only way.good luck with that nigga😂🙏
Quote from: challengerX on February 15, 2018, 10:40:46 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:36:35 AMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom."Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.Some studies have shown that humans are actually significantly more empathetic and kind than you'd think. I don't agree that Capitalism is the only way.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:36:35 AMQuote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom."Capitalism" is a pure expression of human nature. There's a reason no other system ever lasts. Communism, fascism, whatever.
Quote from: Aether on February 15, 2018, 09:28:42 AMQuote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.The human nature argument always puzzled me, it's fairly obvious human nature is a result of surroundings, of nurture over nature for the most part, and so in a Capitalist society, people are selfish, as that is what the system rewards. Whereas a lot of people I know with anti-capitalist views are generally considerably kinder and more accepting/helpful. I'm an Anarchist, and so I believe in abolishing the state, for freedom of all people, people telling you how to live and what to live for is an inherently oppressive thing. People want freedom.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 15, 2018, 09:05:40 AMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.Yeah I understand that point, but I'm thinking practically here. If millions of people would reject that way of living, if they would refuse to accept and go along with it, then the state would have to force them to go along with it or force them out of society through tyranny.tbh (and I'm not saying this is what you're doing, I don't know you well enough) I think any vision of utopia is directly pursued through naivety. Perhaps unless and until we discover an over-unity method of creating energy and in turn create over-abundance for our society. If we actually manage to reach the technological singularity, for instance, and it doesn't end up bringing about our extinction, then I think the pursuit of utopia might be more plausible. But only if, and this is a very huge if, (((human nature))) doesn't intervene again. After-all, people revel in danger and hardship. To so many, life is meaningless without struggle against something in some form. Without any struggle ever, I'm not certain a human can find meaning in living tbh. I'm just not wise enough to know and probably never will be.
Quote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:29:15 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.All Communism is, is community controlled means of production. With people giving according to their ability, and receiving according to their needs. Tyrants like Stalin ruled in state capitalism and called it communism.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 10:04:29 PMQuote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.How is it possible to achieve true communism without the state intervening? Considering the fact that millions of people wouldn't go along with it.
Quote from: Aether on February 14, 2018, 10:02:23 PMQuote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?No, it's a genuine and highly thought out ideology, I hope you aren't one of those "Socialism is when the government does stuff" types. As Communism, in it's truest form, is stateless.
Quote from: Nixeris on February 14, 2018, 09:33:50 PMAnarcho-CommunistIsn't this like an oxymoron?
Anarcho-Communist
i challenge you to make capitalism sound appealing
Quote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 AMi challenge you to make capitalism sound appealingPokemon exists because of Capitalism
Quote from: Jono on February 16, 2018, 04:19:09 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 AMi challenge you to make capitalism sound appealingPokemon exists because of CapitalismNo, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).
Quote from: Verbatim on February 16, 2018, 08:23:23 AMQuote from: Jono on February 16, 2018, 04:19:09 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 11:21:54 AMi challenge you to make capitalism sound appealingPokemon exists because of CapitalismNo, it doesn't. It exists because some person in Japan had an idea, and nothing about communism, or any other economic system, prevents people from having ideas (it in fact promotes having ideas).Late-stage capitalism is the reason you can sit around bitching about how much you hate it on a dead forum while being a complete and utter waste of human life.
having to afford bread appeals to you?
Yes because being able to afford bread means we have plenty of it
I for one enjoy going down the cereal aisle at my local Public and being able to choose whatever cereal I want from plenty of brands and types, based solely on my preference because the prices are so damn low I don't even need to contemplate it.
Yes because being able to afford bread means we have plenty of it and I can buy other shit with left over money because competitive markets keeps that bread's price super low. I for one enjoy going down the cereal aisle at my local Public and being able to choose whatever cereal I want from plenty of brands and types, based solely on my preference because the prices are so damn low I don't even need to contemplate it. Quote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2018, 12:24:15 PMhaving to afford bread appeals to you?
it literally means the exact opposite
in fact you could argue it would be better under that perfect communist system because you wouldn't have to make decisions based on what the majority of the market wants and can make decisions based on what you want to create.
Quote from: Nipples the Enchilada on February 16, 2018, 11:16:24 PMin fact you could argue it would be better under that perfect communist system because you wouldn't have to make decisions based on what the majority of the market wants and can make decisions based on what you want to create. I don't see how, as there are games made in our capitalist system are not all casual catering EA/Bungie trash.
I'm not seeing a mass hysteria over bread shortages here in Capitalist America.
but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survivewhich is worse
Quote from: Verbatim on February 18, 2018, 12:30:30 PMbut you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survivewhich is worseYou, at least, aren't one to suggest that life would be better without work at all, are you?
Quote from: Ian on February 16, 2018, 11:32:36 PMI'm not seeing a mass hysteria over bread shortages here in Capitalist America.but you are seeing a nation where you can't live a comfortable life without working to afford the resources you need to survivewhich is worse
I change my mind
