Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AMhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-naturehttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacyFallacy fallacy fallacy.He's treating nature as if its a god that must be obeyed. Nature is not a god that must be obeyed. If nature had its way, there would no one like me to oppose it. You moron.You post that every single time I point out that someone is making a fallacious argument. I'm going to start reporting you now.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AMhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-naturehttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
Answer my question please.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMThis is not a healthy state of mind Jesus Christ. The last instance I know of where a person accused somebody of being mentally ill for disagreeing with them involved a Stalinist.Not to mention, acknowledgement of the facts (be they moral or physical) doesn't necessitate any sort of emotional state. I hear it all the time from people who aren't determinists; "What's the point to anything? Doesn't it make you miserable?"No. It doesn't. Searching for truth is liberating in all of its forms, and I'm sure Verbatim agrees.
This is not a healthy state of mind
Wisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.
Quote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 03, 2015, 09:47:00 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.My "kind"Well if we're going to play that game, then they simply weren't strong enough to overcome and make something of their life from their pain. That's not to say I don't have sympathy. I could tell you all about how I've hit rock bottom more times than I can even count anymore.But I'll quote it again:“Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall”Wisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AMWisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.Why do you keep restating something nobody even remotely disagrees with?
You are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.
What sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AMQuote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 03, 2015, 09:47:00 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.My "kind"Well if we're going to play that game, then they simply weren't strong enough to overcome and make something of their life from their pain. That's not to say I don't have sympathy. I could tell you all about how I've hit rock bottom more times than I can even count anymore.But I'll quote it again:“Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall”Wisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.Wonderful. Now, is it fair to bring something new into the world which has the potential to suffer even more than yourself did?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 09:54:58 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AMWisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.Why do you keep restating something nobody even remotely disagrees with?Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.
Life isn't supposed to be fair.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.
Life isn't supposed to be fair. Whether it's fair or not doesn't matter.
If they were to suffer more and overcome, then they'd be a stronger and more wise person than I.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.
"life is what you make of it, durr"
. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:02:14 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:59:28 AMLife isn't supposed to be fair.All the more reason not to impose life on others.Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:59:53 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:57:58 AMQuote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.What part of "logically impossible" do you need me to clarify?I'd like you to clarify why not having kids--if taken as a moral imperative--is at all logical impossible. Drawing a triangle with four sides? THAT's logically impossible.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Also, stop lashing back so much, Verbatim. Like I said, this isn't the forum for it.Can we not have anymore reason to flood reports from this thread? Heysoose cristo.Did you even read the other posts? Verbatim started it with:Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM"life is what you make of it, durr"Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM. . .OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
Or better yet, to put them up to the challenge to see how far they can go.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on February 03, 2015, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AMYou are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.Nuka it's fine if you want to disagree and debate with Verbatim about this, but drop this type of shit when you do it. There is no reason you have to be so insulting when making a point, especially in this forum.Ah, but it's okay for him to lash out with worse things just because people don't spam the report button?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 10:01:54 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?Conversely, what's the point of existence?
How bad does life have to get
