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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Your idea that it's immoral to give birth and life- let's take a look at that.

Say all humans stop reproducing completely. Now fast forward 50 years.
Do you see the problem?

Unless your goal is to eventually end all of human existence, then you should be able to see why it's fucking stupid.

 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:10:13 AM
That's stupid, and not the natural cycle of things.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
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Creating or giving life is not evil my any means whatsoever, and probably the dumbest of all your ideology. Life is what you make of it. If you're going to say that it's bad and evil, then I guess it is.
[insert nonsensical, ambiguous platitude here]
"life is what you make of it, durr"

That's philosophy to you. You're such a waste of time.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 08:48:17 AM
Life is chaos.
Wrong. Everything is determined. If you fail to predict an event accurately, then all that means is that there are outlying variables that you failed to account for. Period. There is no chaos. At all.

 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
You're such a waste of time.
Oh, the irony.

 
 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
Say all humans stop reproducing completely. Now fast forward 50 years.
Do you see the problem?
...No.
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Unless your goal is to eventually end all of human existence, then you should be able to see why it's fucking stupid.
. . .

OF COURSE THAT'S THE FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 09:22:55 AM by Verbatim

 
 
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Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AM
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
Fallacy fallacy fallacy.

He's treating nature as if its a god that must be obeyed. Nature is not a god that must be obeyed. If nature had its way, there would no one like me to oppose it. You moron.

You post that every single time I point out that someone is making a fallacious argument. I'm going to start reporting you now.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
OF COURSE THAT'S A FUCKING GOAL. How the fuck could you NOT know that?
You are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.
This is not a healthy state of mind and clearly the reason you seem to be such an all around miserable person.

I can only hope that this is just a phase and that you'll grow past it someday.

 
 
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Fuck you. Get out of the fucking thread if you're not gonna discuss the fucking subject.

I was miserable for YEARS before I became an anti-natalist.

And I've been one for almost three years. Yeah, some "phase".
Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 09:30:18 AM by Verbatim

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:25:33 AM
Fuck you. Get out of the fucking thread if you're not gonna discuss the fucking subject.
Nah, I can do as I please.
You'd make a pretty good story book antagonist, actually. I know just the person to pass this off to.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:27:57 AM
Nah, I can do as I please.
Reported.
Abusing the report button is against the rules.
You should know better.

Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me?

 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:30:18 AM
Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me?
You derailed the thread, and I have provided an argument. Apparently, the idea that I want the human race to go EXTINCT is (somehow) news to you. Now it's YOUR turn to show to me why the human race shouldn't go extinct.

You will fail.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:30:18 AM
Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me?
You derailed the thread, and I have provided an argument. Apparently, the idea that I want the human race to go EXTINCT is (somehow) news to you. Now it's YOUR turn to show to me why the human race shouldn't go extinct.

You will fail.
Tell me first why whales should go extinct. Birds. Lions. Insects.
Go ahead and tell me what ending the existence of a species will accomplish.

 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 08:41:08 AM
We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict
You're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.

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I suppose if I had zero friends, I might become anti-natalist.

 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:34:41 AM
Tell me first why whales should go extinct. Birds. Lions. Insects.
Go ahead and tell me what ending the existence of a species will accomplish.
No life, no suffering.

Boom.

Go ahead, ask some more embarrassingly easy questions.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:38:10 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:34:41 AM
Tell me first why whales should go extinct. Birds. Lions. Insects.
Go ahead and tell me what ending the existence of a species will accomplish.
No life, no suffering.

Boom.

Go ahead, ask some more embarrassingly easy questions.
What's so horrible about suffering?
As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth.

 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:10:13 AM
Life is what you make of it.
Again, missing the point. Verbatim isn't saying its impossible for somebody to improve there life, he's saying an imposition of such a situation is immoral in the first instance.

Like I said above, it's not about a balance of utility or disutility-it's about not imposing the need to find a balance in the first place.

 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
What's so horrible about suffering?
As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth.
Refer to Meta's post.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 08:41:08 AM
We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict
You're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
You're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.
I'm not. I'm toying around with things a bit here.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:40:31 AM
What's so horrible about suffering?
As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth.
Refer to Meta's post.
Answer my question please.

 
 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
Answer my question please.
I DID.

Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
Answer my question please.
I DID.

Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
No, you didn't.
What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?

 
 
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Someone fucking ban this cunt.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:44:50 AM
Someone fucking ban this cunt.
Or you could answer my question.

 
 
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I don't answer loaded questions.

 
 
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We knew the world would not be the same.
A few people laughed, a few people cried, most people were silent.
I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad-Gita.
Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty
and to impress him takes on his multi-armed form and says,
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.."
I suppose we all thought that one way or another.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
I don't answer loaded questions.
Mmm.. why, because you see why it could lead to your entire ideology falling flat on its face?

 
 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
Answer my question please.
I DID.

Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
No, you didn't.
What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?
Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.

 
 
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Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:23:47 AM
This is not a healthy state of mind
Jesus Christ. The last instance I know of where a person accused somebody of being mentally ill for disagreeing with them involved a Stalinist.

Not to mention, acknowledgement of the facts (be they moral or physical) doesn't necessitate any sort of emotional state. I hear it all the time from people who aren't determinists; "What's the point to anything? Doesn't it make you miserable?"

No. It doesn't. Searching for truth is liberating in all of its forms, and I'm sure Verbatim agrees.

 
 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
Answer my question please.
I DID.

Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
No, you didn't.
What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?
He did, the utility of overcoming suffering is negated when the capacity for disutility is removed in the first place.

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