Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 12:54:07 PMI am really opposed to this removal. We have some good history and bad. Removing all the monuments to the bad essentially is rewriting history. Our cultural narrative is dependent on learning from our mistakes. By doing this we're creating a history that is Disneyesque. It's not real. History isn't a fight between good and evil. It's people living in the social framework of their time. Our modern morality shouldn't play a role in what happened then. At least in so far as the monuments of that history. This isn't having a battle flag as a state symbol. This is having a place that we learn from our mistakes okay but like...Here's this randomly placed statue of Jefferson Davis in the middle of New Orleans.What am I supposed to learn from this?It lacks context.
I am really opposed to this removal. We have some good history and bad. Removing all the monuments to the bad essentially is rewriting history. Our cultural narrative is dependent on learning from our mistakes. By doing this we're creating a history that is Disneyesque. It's not real. History isn't a fight between good and evil. It's people living in the social framework of their time. Our modern morality shouldn't play a role in what happened then. At least in so far as the monuments of that history. This isn't having a battle flag as a state symbol. This is having a place that we learn from our mistakes
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 03:15:52 PMSo you're telling meThat there is a liberal agendaAttempting to hide the past from our kidsSo they can brainwash themAnd make them in to mindless blm drones with their liberal brainwashing university systemLiberal? Not really. It's more complicated than that.Jews?
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 03:15:52 PMSo you're telling meThat there is a liberal agendaAttempting to hide the past from our kidsSo they can brainwash themAnd make them in to mindless blm drones with their liberal brainwashing university systemLiberal? Not really. It's more complicated than that.
So you're telling meThat there is a liberal agendaAttempting to hide the past from our kidsSo they can brainwash themAnd make them in to mindless blm drones with their liberal brainwashing university system
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 05:45:39 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 03:15:52 PMSo you're telling meThat there is a liberal agendaAttempting to hide the past from our kidsSo they can brainwash themAnd make them in to mindless blm drones with their liberal brainwashing university systemLiberal? Not really. It's more complicated than that.Jews?Again with the jews. I told you, only a few of the slave masters are Jewish.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 08:10:52 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 05:45:39 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 05:44:12 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on May 12, 2017, 03:15:52 PMSo you're telling meThat there is a liberal agendaAttempting to hide the past from our kidsSo they can brainwash themAnd make them in to mindless blm drones with their liberal brainwashing university systemLiberal? Not really. It's more complicated than that.Jews?Again with the jews. I told you, only a few of the slave masters are Jewish. Zionists?
It's removal means no one will ask those questions at that spot. This continues and the only place one could learn is in a classroom from textbooks that are written by those in power.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 12, 2017, 03:07:08 PMIt's removal means no one will ask those questions at that spot. This continues and the only place one could learn is in a classroom from textbooks that are written by those in power.A museum provides the context and historical accuracy. Not some shitty monument of some random ass dude who wanted to keep slavery around in a place where there are a large portion of blacks. Maybe if there is some plaque offering context to who he was, or what the statue is dedicated for, but if the guy is just chilling there, no thanks.And those in power always write the history, that's just how it is. But the Civil War has enough voices on both sides where every 5 years it changes from "The war on State Rights" to "The war on Slavery".And occasionally "The war of Northern Aggression".It's not like they are censoring shit about it or going full on Germany where its illegal to even have the flag around.
How else do we learn from it?
What's happening here could easily lead to what germany did.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 13, 2017, 01:59:37 AMHow else do we learn from it?Well given we have virtually the entire collective knowledge of humans at the click of a mouse, I'd say the internet if you do proper research.QuoteWhat's happening here could easily lead to what germany did.I don't think so. You really think Americans who are so touchy about the federal government and "muh free speech", would let the government even try what Germany did? No, they'd easily freak the heck out. It's not like Germany with their censorship of Nazism, nor like China where they're censoring everything left and right. You mentioned you don't trust people in power, which is a very American thing as well. That alone encompass how most people feel. I wouldn't worry about it yet, nor do I think removing statue's of people on public area's who lead a rebel nation, is any form of censorship. Put it where it belongs, give it the respect it deserves, and give it the actual info it needs.The fact we still have government buildings hoisting this kinda stuff, along with the confederate flag, is more than just "my history". In fact for the latter half, much of it was raised into government areas when Civil Rights was catching fire.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 13, 2017, 12:19:48 PMQuote from: Luciana on May 13, 2017, 04:18:30 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 13, 2017, 01:59:37 AMHow else do we learn from it?Well given we have virtually the entire collective knowledge of humans at the click of a mouse, I'd say the internet if you do proper research.QuoteWhat's happening here could easily lead to what germany did.I don't think so. You really think Americans who are so touchy about the federal government and "muh free speech", would let the government even try what Germany did? No, they'd easily freak the heck out. It's not like Germany with their censorship of Nazism, nor like China where they're censoring everything left and right. You mentioned you don't trust people in power, which is a very American thing as well. That alone encompass how most people feel. I wouldn't worry about it yet, nor do I think removing statue's of people on public area's who lead a rebel nation, is any form of censorship. Put it where it belongs, give it the respect it deserves, and give it the actual info it needs.The fact we still have government buildings hoisting this kinda stuff, along with the confederate flag, is more than just "my history". In fact for the latter half, much of it was raised into government areas when Civil Rights was catching fire.Which is part and parcel in the history of those statutes. History creates its own context.ok sadiq khan
Quote from: Luciana on May 13, 2017, 04:18:30 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on May 13, 2017, 01:59:37 AMHow else do we learn from it?Well given we have virtually the entire collective knowledge of humans at the click of a mouse, I'd say the internet if you do proper research.QuoteWhat's happening here could easily lead to what germany did.I don't think so. You really think Americans who are so touchy about the federal government and "muh free speech", would let the government even try what Germany did? No, they'd easily freak the heck out. It's not like Germany with their censorship of Nazism, nor like China where they're censoring everything left and right. You mentioned you don't trust people in power, which is a very American thing as well. That alone encompass how most people feel. I wouldn't worry about it yet, nor do I think removing statue's of people on public area's who lead a rebel nation, is any form of censorship. Put it where it belongs, give it the respect it deserves, and give it the actual info it needs.The fact we still have government buildings hoisting this kinda stuff, along with the confederate flag, is more than just "my history". In fact for the latter half, much of it was raised into government areas when Civil Rights was catching fire.Which is part and parcel in the history of those statutes. History creates its own context.
the second civil war is coming and it shall overshadow the first
I don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, because I'm too lazy to check, but yeah the mayor is storing the statues in a trash dump
Quote from: Ender on May 22, 2017, 09:53:56 AMI don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, because I'm too lazy to check, but yeah the mayor is storing the statues in a trash dumpthis is where they belong
Quote from: Azumarill on May 22, 2017, 02:35:47 PMQuote from: Ender on May 22, 2017, 09:53:56 AMI don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, because I'm too lazy to check, but yeah the mayor is storing the statues in a trash dumpthis is where they belongjust like blacks belong hanging from a tree, am i right? lmao
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on May 23, 2017, 11:57:16 AMQuote from: Azumarill on May 22, 2017, 02:35:47 PMQuote from: Ender on May 22, 2017, 09:53:56 AMI don't know if it's been mentioned or not yet, because I'm too lazy to check, but yeah the mayor is storing the statues in a trash dumpthis is where they belongjust like blacks belong hanging from a tree, am i right? lmaoYou irl
Historical Statues Being Removed In New Orleans
