has anyone on this site had problems with substance abuse?

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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Anything else is your own goddamn fault because you were being an idiot.
So, essentially, an idiot/moron to you is someone with who is weak willed?


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Never done them, never will.
I don't want to numb my mind, I need to be aware.
As if aceylpsilocin numbs the mind.

Christo that was probably the most intense perception I've ever experienced.

Well, not literally "numbing the mind". My mistake (though some do that).
But rather, taking my eyes off what's important. Losing focus.
Well that all depends on the substance, your mentality, and how it affects you tbh. You could be be a dullard, snort four xanax bars and forget everything you did for a night. Or could drop acid when you're down, have an epiphany, and find new inspiration in life.

Any given experience is a very subjective thing. It can also be powerful, enlightening, and/or harrowing, or maybe even insignificant. There's no guarantee one will lose focus. Their focus may even sharpen.

In the end, what distinguishes these experiences as something that not everyone is cut out for is the fact that they are all altered perception.
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can't be an abuser without being a user


 
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Nope, I haven't.
Don't think I ever will.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Anything else is your own goddamn fault because you were being an idiot.
So, essentially, an idiot/moron to you is someone with who is weak willed?
If you weren't prescribed by a doctor and decided to diagnose yourself and how much you should take without the proper knowledge? Yeah kinda.
That doesn't make much sense in regards to my question. I'm not concerned with whether or not someone decided to dose themselves.

I'm simply asking you if you believe that having a weak power of will is a distinguished attribute for an idiot/moron because that appears to be what you're implying.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
You do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.
That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.


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no, thankfully.
Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.
that shit's tough, ive had family hooked on booze and pills and heroin.
i try to not be an asshole.


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no, thankfully.
Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.
that shit's tough, ive had family hooked on booze and pills and heroin.
i try to not be an asshole.
Yeah... too bad other people don't.

And continue to act like a dipshit.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.
And what about non-medical drugs like cocaine and heroin?


 
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no, thankfully.
Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.

actually, most of this thread did that.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I'll say it again: addiction is a medical condition arising from certain genetic and neurological predispositions--like all other human behaviour.

Condemning druggies because they 'chose' to take drugs isn't only counter-productive, it's borderline immoral.


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no, thankfully.
Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.

actually, most of this thread did that.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhut the fuck up.


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I'll say it again: addiction is a medical condition arising from certain genetic and neurological predispositions--like all other human behaviour.

Condemning druggies because they 'chose' to take drugs isn't only counter-productive, it's borderline immoral.
First time I have ever agreed with you meta, well, not really, but first time I care to admit it.


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
You do realize that sentence was taken out of context, right? I'm talking about medical drugs.
That's fine but you still haven't answered by question.
If you fucked up with medical drugs because you either diagnosed yourself or didn't follow your doctor's directions properly and became dependent, then yes.
So you're essentially telling me that you believe that someone who was weak willed is an idiot in the specific instance where they attempted to diagnose themselves/did not follow instructions and fell prey to addition.

But that doesn't tell me whether or not you feel that such a person is a moron because of their self diagnosis or because of the fact that they are weak willed.


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One time I was prescribed on antibiotics.
Stopped reading.


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I said defensive, not offensive.
That. . . was a typo.

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I know you used to smoke weed, and the way you jumped on me when Slash has pretty obviously been playing around with dangerous substances the past few days kind of shows some defensiveness there.
Regardless of what you might perceive. I'm not angry. I've had this discussion many many times before with people simply because It interests me.

I'm not sure why you felt like I jumped on you, perhaps I was too offensive in saying that you were acting naive? It's w/e.
Again. I only responded to this thread the way I did because I know that Slash has been abusing dangerous substances the past few days.

Even though I fuck around with Camnator, I don't have issues with things like weed, tobacco, and alcohol in reasonable amounts. However I have little to no tolerance for just about everything else. Medical drugs weren't really something I thought about when I posted that, and the only time I'd be sympathetic is if someone ended up dependent after being prescribed by a doctor. Anything else is your own goddamn fault because you were being an idiot.
so the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?


 
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I have not. Quite a few members of my family have regarding alcohol though.



 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I'll show an example:
One time I was prescribed on antibiotics. I was irresponsible and stopped taking them when it felt like I didn't need them anymore instead of finishing the entire bottle like I was supposed to. Needless to say, the infection came back stronger and I had to start over on stronger antibiotics.

Because I decided to be an idiot and go against the doctor's directions.
Becoming addicted to a drug =/= thinking you know better than a doctor.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
so the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?
if you're messing around with stupid and dangerous shit....yes?
That's like telling psychopaths not to be impulsive, or trans people to just not get gender dysphoria. It's not a case of free will, here, the causes of people becoming addicted to drugs--and, yes, taking them in the first place--is reducible to neurocognitive activity in the brain, over which we have no control.

What I mean is that, essentially, addiction to a certain substance is indicative of neurological imbalances.
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so the base of your argument is, "if you didnt want to get addicted, you shouldnt have taken drugs"?
if you're messing around with stupid and dangerous shit....yes?
"if you didnt want to [get raped], you shouldnt have [worn slutty clothes]"
do you see the problem?


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Because of the self diagnosis. If you read how I responded to Velox then you'd know that I have sympathy for the weak willed.
I'm sorry I had too many notifications at once to read the entire thread. Your last post conveyed your point much batter.


Making poor decisions is foolish obviously, but it's still a much more complicated matter than that.

We are as we are conditioned to be. By our genes, our environment, influence from our peers, media.  The foundations of addiction are rooted in one's personality/mentality. Something that is very complicated and even has uncontrollable physical variables. To say that it's simply a matter of the lack of intelligence is just plain ignorant. Such a black and white response ignores so many variables.


 
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no, thankfully.
Wow, someone said no without being an asshole.

actually, most of this thread did that.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhut the fuck up.

Am I doing it right?


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There's a surprise.
Anyways, no. Like Verby says, I'm not a moron.
You don't have to be a moron to fall prey to addiction. Thinking that such is simply a matter of stupidity is naive.
It's called not doing drugs, m8.
Were it only that simple. It's not a black and white issue.
You're the one trying to ruin your brain man, not me.
Smoking some weed or tobacco or drinking a little alcohol does NOT ruin your brain


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People on this forum are way to defensive for their stupid drugs.
That isn't what people are even doing. Lol. You should just stop posting.


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This thread is now in the Serious Board, so no going full retard with the insults ok?


 
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failing to follow directions properly.
I think the misunderstanding lies here. I'm saying that, in terms of addiction, the failure to follow directions properly is a result of some sort of addictive predisposition and thus can't properly be condemned as 'stupid'.

I'm probably just not getting what you're saying at this point, though, since I'm flicking between here and work. So, apologies if I've essentially put up a straw-man of your position.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Shit like heroin? Not even once. Don't fucking do it if you don't want to ruin your life.

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That's like telling psychopaths not to be impulsive, or trans people to just not get gender dysphoria. It's not a case of free will, here, the causes of people becoming addicted to drugs--and, yes, taking them in the first place--is reducible to neurocognitive activity in the brain, over which we have no control.

What I mean is that, essentially, addiction to a certain substance is indicative of neurological imbalances.