God I really hate Clinton

Alternative Facts · January 21, 2016, 07:17:47 PM

Quote from: † on January 21, 2016, 05:52:08 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 04:37:12 PM
First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the United States,
Let's be honest here, these don't mean shit.

Considering her and her staff had far more power and access to the President during her tenure as FLOTUS, it really does.

PSU · January 21, 2016, 07:18:46 PM

I can't believe someone would actually consider voting for that criminal.

Alternative Facts · January 21, 2016, 07:18:55 PM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 21, 2016, 05:58:03 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 05:18:45 PM
He is literally running on name alone.
He is literally running on his business career, if you are going to call that "name alone" then Clinton is running on "name alone" as well you hypocrite.

Business career is not politics.

As much as we'd like to think that someone with zero political experience can just skyrocket to the Oval Office and succeed, it won't happen.

PSU · January 21, 2016, 07:20:22 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:18:55 PM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 21, 2016, 05:58:03 PM
Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 05:18:45 PM
He is literally running on name alone.
He is literally running on his business career, if you are going to call that "name alone" then Clinton is running on "name alone" as well you hypocrite.

Business career is not politics.

yeah, it means more.

Being a career politician is literally just sucking people off to try and move up the ladder.
Owning and operating a business actually takes skill.

Elai · January 21, 2016, 07:31:56 PM

Forgive me, but why does a leader need to have political experience to "matter"? Isn't the leader of the country meant to represent the people and their values, while making decisions that reflect that?

If you can do that, what's the issue?

Alternative Facts · January 21, 2016, 07:41:30 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 21, 2016, 07:31:56 PM

Forgive me, but why does a leader need to have political experience to "matter"? Isn't the leader of the country meant to represent the people and their values, while making decisions that reflect that?

If you can do that, what's the issue?

Because as nice of an ideal that this is, the office of the Presidency, the state of national politics and global affairs as a whole makes this extremely difficult to accomplish - it's kind of why we only see Presidents that graduate with college degrees (namely with law degrees) these days. Although it would be nice to elect someone who represents the people as a whole and has never engaged in politics, they would drown in the duties and requirements that a President is required to handle.

Elai · January 21, 2016, 07:45:23 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:41:30 PM

Because as nice of an ideal that this is, the office of the Presidency, the state of national politics and global affairs as a whole makes this extremely difficult to accomplish - it's kind of why we only see Presidents that graduate with college degrees (namely with law degrees) these days.

I don't see how a law degree helps in that regard.

Cadenza has moved on · January 21, 2016, 07:46:10 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:18:55 PM

Quote from: Cadenza on January 21, 2016, 05:58:03 PM
Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 05:18:45 PM
He is literally running on name alone.
He is literally running on his business career, if you are going to call that "name alone" then Clinton is running on "name alone" as well you hypocrite.

Business career is not politics.

As much as we'd like to think that someone with zero political experience can just skyrocket to the Oval Office and succeed, it won't happen.

You said the problem was that Trump was running on "name alone", now you're saying the problem is that he doesn't have "political experience", that's some impressive backpedaling.

Alternative Facts · January 21, 2016, 07:48:10 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 21, 2016, 07:45:23 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
Because as nice of an ideal that this is, the office of the Presidency, the state of national politics and global affairs as a whole makes this extremely difficult to accomplish - it's kind of why we only see Presidents that graduate with college degrees (namely with law degrees) these days.

I don't see how a law degree helps in that regard.

Helps when dealing with the Constitution and the boundaries of the office, international law, etc.

Elai · January 21, 2016, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:48:10 PM

Helps when dealing with the Constitution and the boundaries of the office, international law, etc.

But only marginally so, I reckon.

Or at least, the merits of a business degree (or in Trump's case, experience) are equal to and arguably greater than a law degree, especially when the country is as much debt as it is.

Luciana · January 21, 2016, 08:56:22 PM

Stand with Rand, guys.

Alternative Facts · January 21, 2016, 08:58:37 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 21, 2016, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
Helps when dealing with the Constitution and the boundaries of the office, international law, etc.

But only marginally so, I reckon.

Or at least, the merits of a business degree (or in Trump's case, experience) are equal to and arguably greater than a law degree, especially when the country is as much debt as it is.

President has such a minor role in economics though - Congress controls the budget, appropriations, etc.

Luciana · January 21, 2016, 09:03:29 PM

I'd vote for Clinton over Sanders, mainly because I know Sanders would never get anything done in office with how far left his ideas are. Though they are appealing at face value, when you sit and think about it you realize it'll be 8 more years of Obama, if not worse in terms of how they government gets anything done.

At least Hillary is more moderate about things, though does that really matter in todays American government? The original GOP has all but officially fallen apart and has been taken over by billionaire front runners and radical conservatives.

When are we honestly getting that 3rd party? It's basically already a thing.

Elai · January 21, 2016, 09:47:42 PM

Quote from: Icy on January 21, 2016, 08:58:37 PM

President has such a minor role in economics though - Congress controls the budget, appropriations, etc.

Surely the president has some power over the budget. Enough to make some drastic changes if need be. She is the head of the nation, after all.

But I don't know. I'm no expert. I could see a legal degree helping more than a business/economics degree depending on the extent of the President's power as far as the budget goes.

Luciana · January 21, 2016, 11:39:38 PM

I don't know what's more scary

The fact I know Trump isn't nearly as bad or extreme as the other candidates, so his win wouldn't be the worst thing ever

Or that I'm coming to terms with him actually having even a chance to win

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Mordo · January 22, 2016, 09:19:19 AM

I think it's pretty sad that people would vote for her solely on the basis that she has a vagina.

I also think she's a vapid cunt that has a shady as shit past, but the one thing I'll give her credit for is that she at least has a modicum of understanding as to how the economy works unlike Sanders.

"yeah free everything for everyone lmao don't worry about how we're going to pay for it tho goyim"

Izi · January 24, 2016, 06:07:27 PM

SecondClass · January 24, 2016, 06:30:44 PM

Quote from: Mordo on January 22, 2016, 09:19:19 AM

I think it's pretty sad that people wouldn't vote for her solely on the basis that she has a vagina.

I agree completely, it's pretty unintelligent.

Verbatim · January 24, 2016, 06:33:15 PM

Quote from: Mordo on January 22, 2016, 09:19:19 AM

I think it's pretty sad that people wouldn't vote for her solely on the basis that she has a vagina.

understatement of the month

Mordo · January 24, 2016, 07:05:35 PM

le change the wording of a quote meme, so quirky XD

Verbatim · January 24, 2016, 07:07:28 PM

Quote from: Mordo on January 24, 2016, 07:05:35 PM

le change the wording of a quote meme, so quirky XD

i didn't even notice that he did that

i was actually agreeing with your original statement

SecondClass · January 24, 2016, 07:26:49 PM

Quote from: Mordo on January 24, 2016, 07:05:35 PM

le change the wording of a quote meme, so quirky XD

except the change is actually way more accurate. No one is voting for her based on her gender. She's getting hate based on it.

I'm not even going for Hillary, but the sexism that gets in the way of her legitimate campaign is annoying.

Mordo · January 24, 2016, 07:31:57 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 24, 2016, 07:26:49 PM

Quote from: Mordo on January 24, 2016, 07:05:35 PM
le change the wording of a quote meme, so quirky XD
except the change is actually way more accurate. No one is voting for her based on her gender. She's getting hate based on it.

I'm not even going for Hillary, but the sexism that gets in the way of her legitimate campaign is annoying.

Or maybe, just maybe, people are criticising her as a political candidate which has absolutely nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with the fact that she's a mendacious thundercunt.

Novel concept, I know.

SecondClass · January 24, 2016, 07:33:38 PM

Even the fact that you've called her a cunt like, three times ITT is telling. You're incapable of referring to her as a candidate without bringing her sex into the factor.

You're a bigot. Deal with it.

Mordo · January 24, 2016, 07:40:44 PM

Are you implying that women are exempt from being called a cunt simply because they're women?

Cunt isn't a pejorative that is exclusive to women. If you were to tally up the abuse that all of the political candidates regularly endure, Trump would win by a landslide anyway. So fuck off with this shit meme that Hillary is le stronk epin woman receiving torrents of abuse that virtually no other candidate has to put up with.

SecondClass · January 24, 2016, 07:43:21 PM

Cunt is a sexist slur, no different than if you called Obama a nigger to disparage him. People like Verb using the c-word as a general insult is retarded.

Verbatim · January 24, 2016, 07:45:05 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 24, 2016, 07:43:21 PM

Cunt is a sexist slur, no different than if you called Obama a nigger to disparage him. People like Verb using the c-word as a general insult is retarded.

that's offensive to retards

SecondClass · January 24, 2016, 07:45:48 PM

Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 24, 2016, 07:45:05 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on January 24, 2016, 07:43:21 PM
Cunt is a sexist slur, no different than if you called Obama a nigger to disparage him. People like Verb using the c-word as a general insult is retarded.
that's offensive to retards

They're not called retards.

Mordo · January 24, 2016, 07:49:29 PM

I call both men and women who are cunts, cunts. It's not an exclusive term I use solely for one gender.

So if you're done doing your little song and dance of language policing, I suggest we get back to the topic at hand.