French General Elections thread - Macron to be new French president

How is terrorism an undeniable reality of our daily lives? I can't accept the belief that a bomb exploding in the street or a deranged religious radical running around shooting people is something all of us have to deal with on a daily basis. His statement just comes off as contradictory then. I'm glad he's planning to be tough on security and he plans to address it, but that only makes it more bizarre that it's something that's going to be more common place. If anything it should become rarer and rarer to see terrorism if we tighten security and take more steps to halt it.

Anyways, I saw his victory speech and I'm also glad he mentioned how he accepts the Le Pen voters are angry with the world today and he wants to address them so they don't have to support a radical candidate to get the change they want. It seems he understands the people crying out against the problems in Europe are not without merit.

That's a very loaded way of framing his comment. He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us. He never said it's just something we're going to have to live with or that it's an unsolvable reality now. Given how he's shaping up to have a pretty harsh stance on security, framing it that way comes across as pretty misleading. Listening to the entire interview, it's pretty clear he's saying this as "we're experiencing a threat of terrorism in our lives now, and this is why we have to...". He's stating a painful reality for many Western countries not as a resignation to it being permanent, but as something he plans to address. I see little wrong with his comment.

How is terrorism an undeniable reality of our daily lives?

Do you watch the six o'clock news at all?

I'm not up at 6am and I'm usually working at 6pm, but I'll humor you on that I do watch the news.

Terrorism is a major problem, but not to the point where people need to worry about it on their way to work, or school, or wherever. Like I said, it's good that Macron said he wants to crack down on terrorism, but his original comment can scare a lot of people and give off the wrong idea.

Do you watch the six o'clock news at all?

It will be interesting who they will vote for in 2022 when their country is a wasteland.

It will be interesting who they will vote for in 2022 when their country is a wasteland.

Barrack Obama

I like how the far right people here are just hoping France turns into a hell hole just to satisfy their own stupid and selfish feelings with political ideals.

It will be interesting who they will vote for in 2022 when their country is a wasteland.

Barrack Obama

Damn, he'd be leader of two countries he wasn't born in then.

It will be interesting who they will vote for in 2022 when their country is a wasteland.

Barrack Obama

Damn, he'd be leader of two countries he wasn't born in then.

Oh hush

This election proved why Brits and Americans are smarter than the French. Pretty sure Le Pen will win in 2022 though.

He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.

lmao what

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

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Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

He got Deci a job.

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

Trump hasn't done any but LARP the past 100 days

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I really wish people would stop using populism in a sense that it's a bad thing. The concerns of the ordinary citizen are completely valid to have. It's why we let every citizen vote in the first place.

they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide.

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Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

"Didn't [debunked Trump claim] happen?"

No.

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He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.

lmao what

How is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere.

We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"

Maybe Belgium and France take this sort of defeatist approach to terrorism, but the rest of us don't. UK and US intelligence services have prevented innumerable plots and I can assure you terrorism isn't "a daily part of our lives" for us, nor will it ever be, and I find it disrespectful that you would even suggest that.

I'm sorry, I just don't accept that this is just something that's going to be a thing we have to put up with, because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Our intelligence services have proven that time and time again, although I guess from your country's perspective you aren't really accustomed to competent counter terrorism.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that terrorism will be hounded out completely. There will always be fanatics that manage to slip through the cracks and threaten the possibility of an attack. But it should be a slim possibility, not something that the public just have to buck up and accept as a """daily part of our lives""" lmao.

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

"Didn't [debunked Trump claim] happen?"

No.

Alex Jones would have said something if it's not true.

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

"Didn't [debunked Trump claim] happen?"

No.

Alex Jones would have said something if it's not true.

Looks like he let you down on this one.

far right people here

lmao

Le Pen would have turned out to be a failure just like Trump, people shouldn't expect these two to amount to much they're just here to normalise the ideas of this populist tide. These feelings are not going to go away after Trump and Le Pen

Didn't Trump create like 500,000 jobs in 100 days?

"Didn't [debunked Trump claim] happen?"

No.

Alex Jones would have said something if it's not true.

Looks like he let you down on this one.

https://www.infowars.com/290000-jobs-created-in-trumps-first-month-shattering-expectations/

Close enough.

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Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.

He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.

lmao what

How is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere.

We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"

Maybe Belgium and France take this sort of defeatist approach to terrorism, but the rest of us don't. UK and US intelligence services have prevented innumerable plots and I can assure you terrorism isn't "a daily part of our lives" for us, nor will it ever be, and I find it disrespectful that you would even suggest that.

I'm sorry, I just don't accept that this is just something that's going to be a thing we have to put up with, because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Our intelligence services have proven that time and time again, although I guess from your country's perspective you aren't really accustomed to competent counter terrorism.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that terrorism will be hounded out completely. There will always be fanatics that manage to slip through the cracks and threaten the possibility of an attack. But it should be a slim possibility, not something that the public just have to buck up and accept as a """daily part of our lives""" lmao.

Then you're just a moron, because it is. Counter terrorism units have stopped plots like this everywhere. Some people just aren't as blind to these threats as you are, and it's not at all "defeatist" to realize this.

You really are the worst mod on this forum. You tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism. Serious is getting serious guys.

Brb, I'm #CALLINGBRUSSELS

lmao at the penpals on suicide watch

Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.

That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.