French General Elections thread - Macron to be new French president

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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.
lmao what
How is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere.

We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"
Maybe Belgium and France take this sort of defeatist approach to terrorism, but the rest of us don't. UK and US intelligence services have prevented innumerable plots and I can assure you terrorism isn't "a daily part of our lives" for us, nor will it ever be, and I find it disrespectful that you would even suggest that.

I'm sorry, I just don't accept that this is just something that's going to be a thing we have to put up with, because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Our intelligence services have proven that time and time again, although I guess from your country's perspective you aren't really accustomed to competent counter terrorism.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that terrorism will be hounded out completely. There will always be fanatics that manage to slip through the cracks and threaten the possibility of an attack. But it should be a slim possibility, not something that the public just have to buck up and accept as a """daily part of our lives""" lmao.
Then you're just a moron, because it is. Counter terrorism units have stopped plots like this everywhere. Some people just aren't as blind to these threats as you are, and it's not at all "defeatist" to realize this.
I'm not sure why you would label that perspective as moronic. The basis for it is quite obvious and is not irrational.

It seems like you two have different ideas on what "daily lives" actually means. I don't think Mordo denies that the threat of terrorism exists for him, but I don't think he considers it to be a part of his 'daily life' either. I think Mordo understands "daily life" as that which is encountered or has to be dealt with on a daily basis, as in work, school, family etc.

I live in a town with a good amount of gang violence. The threat of me being attacked or harmed by gang members is certainly higher than the threat of being harmed in a terrorist attack. However, gang violence is not a part of my daily life. It isn't something I'm ever involved with, a witness to, or a victim of. The same is true of terrorism.

Terrorism is not something that is encountered on a daily basis. It is something that is known to the vast majority of people in the west from a sort of disconnected and vicarious perspective.

To someone that understands their daily life to be that which they encounter and deal with on a daily basis, saying that terrorism is a part of their daily life absolutely seems to imply that it is something they encounter on a daily basis, or at the least, very often. And that is not true for the vast majority of people in the west.


 
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Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.
That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.
I think it will be come to that that migrants that are living on the welfare will be thrown out of Europe one day.


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Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.
That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.
Parents came from third world, throw them out too


 
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Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.
That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.
Parents came from third world, throw them out too
You realize that's where your parents came from too right you fucking mick


 
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Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.
That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.
Parents came from third world, throw them out too
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Welcome to Macron's France!
Damn, not even 24 hours after he won the election and he's already taken the title as president, gotten rid of the entire François Hollande administration, tweaked his policies/implemented his own, and gotten the slow corporations to shift their focus to pivot to what he sees as the right course of action? Damn, even Trump can't compete!


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Welcome to Macron's France!
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You tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism.
No, I call people morons when they say moronic things. I disagree with plenty of people and still think that what they say is intelligent or has some merit to it. You know nothing about my attitude towards terrorism or views on immigration yet still hound me for pointing out what I think is a harsh truth. You live in the UK, right? The threat level has been at severe for 3 years, meaning that another terrorist attack is considered "highly likely". A bill was recently adopted that is set to require the implementation of backdoors in encryption so that your secure communications can be read by the government at will. Other sections will have your ISP's monitor your communications and activities in real time for the government to access. Recent counter-terrorism bills are eroding civil liberties and circumventing basic principles of our rule of law, such as by detaining people for months without trial, charge or defense. There's military personnel stationed at the airports and in major cities like London at all times. Schools and universities are required to monitor students and take action to avoid radicalization. Law enforcement now has broad powers to impose a wide array of "prevention and investigation" measures in a way which no longer requires reasonable suspicion but only a "balance of probabilities". The current plan for securing Parliament and surrounding areas involve the deployment of "attack dog" patrols in London. And that's shaping up to just be the start of it after the attack in London two months ago. These are all ways in which the threat of terrorism is affecting the lives of many, even though you don't have to fear Jihadi John 2.0 beheading you in the streets.

Of course Macron isn't talking about your particular life. He isn't saying anything defeatist. He isn't telling the French that they're just going to accept terrorism and expect to almost get blown up whenever they leave the house. He isn't saying there will be police officers busting through your door tomorrow to make sure Osama 2.0 isn't hiding under your bed, or that you'll just have to deal with him walking through your town. He speaks for the entire country as a whole, both directly and indirectly. Being faced with military and attack dogs in London instead of your friendly neighborhood bobby? Effect of terrorism. Your government having ISP's monitor all your communications, even the encrypted ones, in real time and putting your name on a list for joking about terrorist attacks? Terrorism. Your university putting you on a list for saying certain things during class? Terrorism. Cameras in new places monitoring your every move, security checkpoint with military personnel in public, extra safeguards and measures on the subway? Terrorism.

Am I saying this is bad? No, but it's an undeniable change to society and the lives of those within it because of the threat of terrorism. It doesn't have to be that visible or up in your face to affect your life. Your extremely narrow definition seems to stem from your eagerness to paint Macron in a negative light, and your lashing out seems to reveal that all the more.

And if me pointing stuff like that out and challenging this black/white outlook of extremes makes me the worst mod on this forum, then brother, buckle up because I will wear that one with pride. :)
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I'm not sure why you would label that perspective as moronic. The basis for it is quite obvious and is not irrational.
It's not the basis, it's his whole response. The extremely narrow definition of what it means for something to affect the lives of people living in a country. I can't help but see a lot of bias in interpreting the words of the president who is clearly speaking for society as a whole as meaning that people are worried about having to avoid shrapnel on their way to work, or that we should cower in fear and just accept that terrorism is just something we have to accept as commonplace. Macron is talking not just about terrorism affecting you in the sense of being shot by a Jihadi on your way to work, but in an indirect manner as well. If the police in your city would decide to tackle gang violence by starting to patrol in every street 24/7 and pat down every single person they see, you included, your life would be affected by gang violence even though you might not be shot dead by a gangbanger in an alleyway. If you take a detour coming home from work to avoid a sketchy area, your life is affected by that gang violence. If you have a metal detector at your school, if hand signs are banned in class because they might resemble gang signs, if cameras are present at more and more street corners, or if stores close a little earlier than they did 15 years ago as to avoid the peak hours for robberies, the lives of the people in your community have been affected by gang violence even if you end up living your entire life without ever seeing a shooting.

It's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services. The only times I've seen his comments interpreted that way are on fringe Breitbart-tier sites and by people who really want to read that into it.

But what more so made me consider his response moronic is the extreme black/white tribalism. He knows nothing about my views on immigration (I'm actually largely in favor of more closed borders). He knows nothing about how I feel about security and counter-terrorism (I fully support many of the security and preventive measures taken to combat terrorism). But the mere fact that I interpret Macron's comment as meaning that we're all indirectly affected by terrorism triggers these assumptions and sneers. "Oh, you think it's fair to say that the threat of terrorism changes parts of our lives? Defeatist much. How weak to think that while we are brave, so we sure don't and never will. What a pathetic and servile outlook. It's just because your country sucks. If you don't think this means exactly what I think it does, you must completely follow the completely other extreme." That's toxic tribalism and, much more so than his in my opinion way too one-sided and limited understanding of what Macron means, is what had me post what I did. So yeah, part of it is because we have different opinions on what it means for the threat of something to affect the lives of people. But most stems from how I see his comment as being incredibly one-sided, combative and very divisive. I probably agree with him on much of how he sees the fight against terror, but I can't come to terms with this "you interpret X as Y so you must think and feel all of this".
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You tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism.
No, I call people morons when they say moronic things. I disagree with plenty of people and still think that what they say is intelligent or has some merit to it. You know nothing about my attitude towards terrorism or views on immigration yet still hound me for pointing out what I think is a harsh truth. You live in the UK, right? The threat level has been at severe for 3 years, meaning that another terrorist attack is considered "highly likely". A bill was recently adopted that is set to require the implementation of backdoors in encryption so that your secure communications can be read by the government at will. Other sections will have your ISP's monitor your communications and activities in real time for the government to access. Recent counter-terrorism bills are eroding civil liberties and circumventing basic principles of our rule of law, such as by detaining people for months without trial, charge or defense. There's military personnel stationed at the airports and in major cities like London at all times. Schools and universities are required to monitor students and take action to avoid radicalization. Law enforcement now has broad powers to impose a wide array of "prevention and investigation" measures in a way which no longer requires reasonable suspicion but only a "balance of probabilities". The current plan for securing Parliament and surrounding areas involve the deployment of "attack dog" patrols in London. And that's shaping up to just be the start of it after the attack in London two months ago. These are all ways in which the threat of terrorism is affecting the lives of many, even though you don't have to fear Jihadi John 2.0 beheading you in the streets.

Of course Macron isn't talking about your particular life. He isn't saying anything defeatist. He isn't telling the French that they're just going to accept terrorism and expect to almost get blown up whenever they leave the house. He isn't saying there will be police officers busting through your door tomorrow to make sure Osama 2.0 isn't hiding under your bed, or that you'll just have to deal with him walking through your town. He speaks for the entire country as a whole, both directly and indirectly. Being faced with military and attack dogs in London instead of your friendly neighborhood bobby? Effect of terrorism. Your government having ISP's monitor all your communications, even the encrypted ones, in real time and putting your name on a list for joking about terrorist attacks? Terrorism. Your university putting you on a list for saying certain things during class? Terrorism. Cameras in new places monitoring your every move, security checkpoint with military personnel in public, extra safeguards and measures on the subway? Terrorism.

Am I saying this is bad? No, but it's an undeniable change to society and the lives of those within it because of the threat of terrorism. It doesn't have to be that visible or up in your face to affect your life. Your extremely narrow definition seems to stem from your eagerness to paint Macron in a negative light, and your lashing out seems to reveal that all the more.

And if me pointing stuff like that out and challenging this black/white outlook of extremes makes me the worst mod on this forum, then brother, buckle up because I will wear that one with pride. :)
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Not to nick pick one thing out of your entire comment but why would my trust in police begin to falter because of terrorism? Police are perhaps the only authority figures these days I have nothing but respect for.

It's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services.


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Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
So it would seem that you are much more concerned with his attitude towards your perspective on Macron's comment than his perspective on Macron's comment.

Well that's certainly something I have no desire to mediate.


 
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Not to nick pick one thing out of your entire comment but why would my trust in police begin to falter because of terrorism? Police are perhaps the only authority figures these days I have nothing but respect for.

It's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services.
Eroding trust because they fail to stop or prevent too many events all while further inconveniencing your daily life.

Like how the NSA is regarded as a complete joke.


 
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Not to nick pick one thing out of your entire comment but why would my trust in police begin to falter because of terrorism? Police are perhaps the only authority figures these days I have nothing but respect for.

It's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services.
Not so much police alone, but law enforcement or intelligence as a whole. I fully agree with you, but I can see how some would lose faith in their ability to keep us safe. There was a 650% increase in terrorism deaths in the West in 2015. We've seen, very clearly, that it doesn't take many resources. No elaborate plot involving months of planning and training to launch a coordinated strike involving planes. No anthrax, no bombs, no "assault weapons". A man driving a truck into a crowd is all you need to kill dozens. And even if you would want to use bombs or guns, it's pretty clear that it's not impossible to do so. Despite all of our surveillance and resources, these attacks still happen and more often than not, they're followed by press releases showing that these people did get in trouble with police before, that they were considered dangerous by law enforcement or that there existed indicators of radicalization and violence. I don't think it's unimaginable that this gives some an impression of futility and might cause them to lose some trust in our police and government's ability to keep us safe from this happening (as much as it currently is). Kind of like a "so you have military checkpoints in public places, police with more powers to detain and investigate people, growing numbers of cameras everywhere, intelligence agencies monitoring everything I do online, restrictions on travel and so forth, and yet these attacks continue to happen at an alarming rate. Why trust you or believe that even more inconveniences or security measures are going to stop this?"
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So it would seem that you are much more concerned with his attitude towards your perspective on Macron's comment than his perspective on Macron's comment.

Well that's certainly something I have no desire to mediate.
Pretty much, yeah. I disagree with his perspective too, but I understand what he's saying. I just think it's too narrow of an interpretation. In your example, gang violence affecting the lives of people in your city does not mean that they wake up in the morning and actively think about the threat of gangbangers and fear the violence. It includes the more subtle and indirect things, like the metal detectors at school or the detour you might take to avoid the dangerous neighborhood in the evening. But I get why he'd say otherwise. As you said, it's more his attitude and assumptions of what it means for me to see where Macron is coming from that I thought were silly.
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You tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism.
No, I call people morons when they say moronic things. I disagree with plenty of people and still think that what they say is intelligent or has some merit to it. You know nothing about my attitude towards terrorism or views on immigration yet still hound me for pointing out what I think is a harsh truth. You live in the UK, right? The threat level has been at severe for 3 years, meaning that another terrorist attack is considered "highly likely". A bill was recently adopted that is set to require the implementation of backdoors in encryption so that your secure communications can be read by the government at will. Other sections will have your ISP's monitor your communications and activities in real time for the government to access. Recent counter-terrorism bills are eroding civil liberties and circumventing basic principles of our rule of law, such as by detaining people for months without trial, charge or defense. There's military personnel stationed at the airports and in major cities like London at all times. Schools and universities are required to monitor students and take action to avoid radicalization. Law enforcement now has broad powers to impose a wide array of "prevention and investigation" measures in a way which no longer requires reasonable suspicion but only a "balance of probabilities". The current plan for securing Parliament and surrounding areas involve the deployment of "attack dog" patrols in London. And that's shaping up to just be the start of it after the attack in London two months ago. These are all ways in which the threat of terrorism is affecting the lives of many, even though you don't have to fear Jihadi John 2.0 beheading you in the streets.

Of course Macron isn't talking about your particular life. He isn't saying anything defeatist. He isn't telling the French that they're just going to accept terrorism and expect to almost get blown up whenever they leave the house. He isn't saying there will be police officers busting through your door tomorrow to make sure Osama 2.0 isn't hiding under your bed, or that you'll just have to deal with him walking through your town. He speaks for the entire country as a whole, both directly and indirectly. Being faced with military and attack dogs in London instead of your friendly neighborhood bobby? Effect of terrorism. Your government having ISP's monitor all your communications, even the encrypted ones, in real time and putting your name on a list for joking about terrorist attacks? Terrorism. Your university putting you on a list for saying certain things during class? Terrorism. Cameras in new places monitoring your every move, security checkpoint with military personnel in public, extra safeguards and measures on the subway? Terrorism.

Am I saying this is bad? No, but it's an undeniable change to society and the lives of those within it because of the threat of terrorism. It doesn't have to be that visible or up in your face to affect your life. Your extremely narrow definition seems to stem from your eagerness to paint Macron in a negative light, and your lashing out seems to reveal that all the more.

And if me pointing stuff like that out and challenging this black/white outlook of extremes makes me the worst mod on this forum, then brother, buckle up because I will wear that one with pride. :)
You seem to have misconstrued actual terrorism with data monitoring legislation and counter terrorism. I'm not suggesting the effect of counter terrorism isn't going to impact my life in some way, but your initial statement was "terrorism is going to affect everyone's lives" not, "legislation trying to combat terrorism is going to affect everyone's lives". There's quite a stark difference.

I'm from the UK. I'm aware of these various counter terrorism measures being put in place, you don't need to shit out link after link which proves the exact same point over and over. I get it. You only need to say it once.

At the end of the day, you could have maintained a courteous discussion without referring to me as a "moron" just because I don't agree with you on a particular facet of a particular topic. That's PSU tier behaviour, and it isn't something I would expect from you, seeing as how you're such an avid critic of these redpill commentators who engage in the exact same behaviour. Hypocrisy thy name is Flee.
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There is no Alt-Right, and there never was to begin with. That's just a shitty buzzword used to describe anyone who isn't a Leftist/Neocon. And what the hell makes you think they're going to go away? The migrant crisis still hasn't been dealt with, there's still terrorist attacks every other day, and the economic problems caused by globalism still haven't been addressed. They've been held off for another election at best.


 
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There is no Alt-Right, and there never was to begin with. That's just a shitty buzzword used to describe anyone who isn't a Leftist/Neocon.
For there to be neocons there have to be traditional conservatives, which means there's a whole slew of other types of conservatives, including the so called alt right.

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And what the hell makes you think they're going to go away? The migrant crisis still hasn't been dealt with, there's still terrorist attacks every other day, and the economic problems caused by globalism still haven't been addressed. They've been held off for another election at best.
Ok so they do exist, then.

Could you explain in detail how globalism is causing economic problems? And how terrorism is a valid excuse to be alt right?

I can understand the clash of cultures with the migration issue, that's a different topic. I don't really see how it's a valid excuse to be LARPing as a Nazi though.
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There is no Alt-Right, and there never was to begin with. That's just a shitty buzzword used to describe anyone who isn't a Leftist/Neocon.
The alt-right is just another movement within conservatism. It may have been used too broadly in the media, but I don't see how it's any less real than the neo-conservatists you mention. To my knowledge, it's the part of conservatism that recently arose as a counter-movement to the "regressive left" and is typically characterized by views like immense populism, anti-immigration, anti-feminism, significant economic and cultural protectionism, anti-political correctness and (depending on who you ask) white supremacism and Islamophobia. It might lack a single platform, leader or program, but that doesn't mean it's not a thing.


 
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You seem to have misconstrued actual terrorism with data monitoring legislation and counter terrorism.
To me, they're inextricably linked and I imagine this is how Macron intends it too. Had there not been a terrorist threat, we wouldn't be taking all these measures which affect people's lives. Terrorism changes our society and the lives of the people in it, both directly and indirectly. You are obviously free to disagree, but I see nothing wrong with referring to consequences of the threat of terrorism when saying it affects our lives.

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At the end of the day, you could have maintained a courteous discussion without referring to me as a "moron" just because I don't agree with you on a particular facet of a particular topic. That's PSU tier behaviour, and it isn't something I would expect from you, seeing as how you're such an avid critic of these redpill commentators who engage in the exact same behaviour. Hypocrisy thy name is Flee.
Fair enough, but I think you're a bit sanctimonious there. You joined the discussion and your first very post was seeping with condescension and sneering. You made very bold assumptions of what I supposedly believe and paired it with snide remarks based on my nationality. Had I started a conversation with you where I immediately made it very clear that I thought your beliefs are weak, pathetic and defeatist and ended it on the derogatory note of "but I guess that only makes sense seeing how you're from the UK and it's not as if the British are used to anything better anyways", I don't think anyone would have interpreted that as me looking to maintain a "courteous discussion". I'll gladly admit that you're anything but a moron, but let's be honest and not pretend that this started off as a respectful conversation. I shouldn't have said that, but I don't think your opening post was all that fair either. Either way, my apologies.


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husky is like 16 guys, calm down
so am i, that ain't an excuse
SHUT YOUR LITTLE ASS UP