Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:42:05 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:40:28 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:27:45 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:18:23 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. SandbagsYeah um no.Yeah, and that's one scenario. Your statement is too generalized. "No amount of preparations can prevent house floodings and other property damage".That simply isn't true.I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.I don't think you get what I'm saying. I'm saying you generalized and that it was false. The flooding of houses can be prevented in some cases. You said it couldn't.In Hurricane Sandy's case, most of the flooding couldn't be prevented.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:40:28 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:27:45 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:18:23 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. SandbagsYeah um no.Yeah, and that's one scenario. Your statement is too generalized. "No amount of preparations can prevent house floodings and other property damage".That simply isn't true.I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.
Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:27:45 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:18:23 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. SandbagsYeah um no.Yeah, and that's one scenario. Your statement is too generalized. "No amount of preparations can prevent house floodings and other property damage".That simply isn't true.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 10:18:23 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. SandbagsYeah um no.
Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. Sandbags
Um, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage.
I did not generalize whatsoever, considering I lived through it. You're downplaying the severity of a hurricane.
Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:46:35 PMI did not generalize whatsoever, considering I lived through it. You're downplaying the severity of a hurricane.I've lived through hurricanes too.Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. Generalizing ^And this thread isn't about Hurricane Sandy, it's about FEMA and disaster relief funding.As I said before, in some cases house flooding cannot be prevented. Like in Sandy's case.But I'm not just talking about Hurricane Sandy, which you keep posting images and videos of. I'm talking about in general. Is all house flooding preventable? No, but some of it is.
I did not generalize whatsoever
Um, no amount of preparations
Quote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:01:37 PMAlright, if denying FEMA funding to them isn't the answer, what is?
Alright, if denying FEMA funding to them isn't the answer, what is?
Quote from: Arm The Mob on March 23, 2015, 10:31:54 PMDo you really think they're just going to change their stance over this?If anything it will just lead to greater polarization.The solution is education, not punishment for thoughtcrime.It is a political move that just so happens to be a dangerous one, too.
Do you really think they're just going to change their stance over this?If anything it will just lead to greater polarization.The solution is education, not punishment for thoughtcrime.
Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:39:03 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 23, 2015, 10:31:54 PMDo you really think they're just going to change their stance over this?If anything it will just lead to greater polarization.The solution is education, not punishment for thoughtcrime.It is a political move that just so happens to be a dangerous one, too.AND DENYING PREPAREDNESS FUNDS BECAUSE SOME DUMBFUCK DOESN'T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A DANGEROUS FUCKING POLITICAL MOVE.
Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:46:35 PMI did not generalize whatsoever Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. I suppose you don't know what generalizing means. But I'm done here, this is going nowhere.
Quote from: BrenMan 94 on March 24, 2015, 08:18:40 AMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:39:03 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 23, 2015, 10:31:54 PMDo you really think they're just going to change their stance over this?If anything it will just lead to greater polarization.The solution is education, not punishment for thoughtcrime.It is a political move that just so happens to be a dangerous one, too.AND DENYING PREPAREDNESS FUNDS BECAUSE SOME DUMBFUCK DOESN'T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A DANGEROUS FUCKING POLITICAL MOVE.As I've already shown with evidence, the governors are already harming their own states with their climate denial. But as soon as the fed threatens to do it, everyone just loses their minds.
Quote from: Kupo on March 24, 2015, 08:21:21 AMQuote from: BrenMan 94 on March 24, 2015, 08:18:40 AMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:39:03 PMQuote from: Arm The Mob on March 23, 2015, 10:31:54 PMDo you really think they're just going to change their stance over this?If anything it will just lead to greater polarization.The solution is education, not punishment for thoughtcrime.It is a political move that just so happens to be a dangerous one, too.AND DENYING PREPAREDNESS FUNDS BECAUSE SOME DUMBFUCK DOESN'T BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A DANGEROUS FUCKING POLITICAL MOVE.As I've already shown with evidence, the governors are already harming their own states with their climate denial. But as soon as the fed threatens to do it, everyone just loses their minds.The feds are exacerbating the situation. This sets a dangerous precedent for things moving forward.Just because there's an idiot behind the wheel not wearing a seatbelt doesn't mean that the passenger airbags shouldn't go off.
Quote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:39:47 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:01:37 PMAlright, if denying FEMA funding to them isn't the answer, what is?Order schools to educate their students about climate change.Encourage rival media outlets to go after conservative sources that try to deny or downplay climate change.Basically do whatever we can to educate the remaining climate change skeptics so these idiots stop getting elected.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 23, 2015, 11:09:43 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:46:35 PMI did not generalize whatsoever Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations Quote from: Kupo on March 23, 2015, 10:03:16 PMUm, no amount of preparations and evacuations can prevent house floodings and other property damage. I suppose you don't know what generalizing means. But I'm done here, this is going nowhere.I don't know what else to tell you. Even if that were to be a generalization, it would hardly undermine my argument, seeing as you've left the rest of it unchallenged.
Quote from: Maverick on March 24, 2015, 01:56:48 AMQuote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:39:47 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:01:37 PMAlright, if denying FEMA funding to them isn't the answer, what is?Order schools to educate their students about climate change.Encourage rival media outlets to go after conservative sources that try to deny or downplay climate change.Basically do whatever we can to educate the remaining climate change skeptics so these idiots stop getting elected.That's what's happening, but it's moving at a snail's pace. As in the case of Texas, climate change deniers have tried to change the curriculum to cast doubt on the veracity of climate change. A similar situation happened in West Virginia. There's very little indication that climate deniers have plans to stop anytime soon. Even universities are pandering to climate deniers. The biggest major news network in the country constantly touts the climate denial perspective. A current member and former chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works receives money from BP. Climate deniers actively attempt to discredit their opponents. (And that's just one example.) Good luck finding a GOP candidate who hasn't tried to cast doubt on climate change.Climate denial is deeply ingrained in our society, and there's no sign of it going away. Worst case, trying to discredit them will just encourage them to play the victim card, and it'll work just like it always has. There's a strong wave of anti-intellectualism at play here. And a lot of it's not even about 'ignorance,' but about pushing an agenda because there's money in doing so. It's clear that no amount of disasters such as hurricanes will change their minds. How much longer will we wait to do something about it?
Quote from: Kupo on March 24, 2015, 09:10:53 AMQuote from: Maverick on March 24, 2015, 01:56:48 AMQuote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:39:47 PMQuote from: Mad Max on March 23, 2015, 04:01:37 PMAlright, if denying FEMA funding to them isn't the answer, what is?Order schools to educate their students about climate change.Encourage rival media outlets to go after conservative sources that try to deny or downplay climate change.Basically do whatever we can to educate the remaining climate change skeptics so these idiots stop getting elected.That's what's happening, but it's moving at a snail's pace. As in the case of Texas, climate change deniers have tried to change the curriculum to cast doubt on the veracity of climate change. A similar situation happened in West Virginia. There's very little indication that climate deniers have plans to stop anytime soon. Even universities are pandering to climate deniers. The biggest major news network in the country constantly touts the climate denial perspective. A current member and former chairman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works receives money from BP. Climate deniers actively attempt to discredit their opponents. (And that's just one example.) Good luck finding a GOP candidate who hasn't tried to cast doubt on climate change.Climate denial is deeply ingrained in our society, and there's no sign of it going away. Worst case, trying to discredit them will just encourage them to play the victim card, and it'll work just like it always has. There's a strong wave of anti-intellectualism at play here. And a lot of it's not even about 'ignorance,' but about pushing an agenda because there's money in doing so. It's clear that no amount of disasters such as hurricanes will change their minds. How much longer will we wait to do something about it?What about ordering schools on a federal level and making climate change questions a part of Common Core?
BUT COMMON CORE IS PART OF THE LIBERAL AGENDA
Quote from: Mad Max on March 24, 2015, 02:58:08 PMBUT COMMON CORE IS PART OF THE LIBERAL AGENDAAre you going to withholding the funding for schools if they don't adhere to common core?
How else do you propose we deal with such people?
What about ordering schools on a federal level and making climate change questions a part of Common Core?
Quote from: Maverick on March 24, 2015, 02:51:00 PMWhat about ordering schools on a federal level and making climate change questions a part of Common Core?Honestly, that sounds ideal (especially to this FEMA stuff), but it's already been pointed out that conservatives think the Common Core is some liberal agenda to indoctrinate our children. And who knows how they'll somehow turn it in their favor?shit sucks
I left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^
As a person that lives in one of the states that would be effected this just isn't really fair. I didn't fucking vote for Mary Fallin but yet according to the people in this thread I still "get what I deserve" when an F5 tornado comes barreling through and destroys my whole town and I get no disaster relief. Yes great logic you got there. If you honestly believe in punishing a whole population and putting human lives in immediate danger for a few people's beliefs then you should rightly fucking off yourself.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?
Quote from: Kupo on March 26, 2015, 01:18:51 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?We began arguing on whether house flooding is preventable. Not exactly what the thread is about.Anyways I did post my view on FEMA funds began denied, so I did contribute.
Quote from: Kupo on March 26, 2015, 01:18:51 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?Quote from: S\ash on March 25, 2015, 12:31:33 PMAs a person that lives in one of the states that would be effected this just isn't really fair. I didn't fucking vote for Mary Fallin but yet according to the people in this thread I still "get what I deserve" when an F5 tornado comes barreling through and destroys my whole town and I get no disaster relief. Yes great logic you got there. If you honestly believe in punishing a whole population and putting human lives in immediate danger for a few people's beliefs then you should rightly fucking off yourself.Relief is not going to be withheld.But even with preventative FEMA funds, Oklahoma is still one of the least prepared states in the entire country. Complain to Fallin before you complain to FEMA.Once again I did not vote for Fallin and still I know a lot of that preparedness funding goes to building storm shelters which save a lot of lives. So if you want to have that high of a disregard for human life and say that a population, many of which did not even vote for these people to be in power, deserve to get none of those life saving funds then you may as well fuck off you belligerent little cunt. You fucking liberals like to sit high and mighty and act like your better than everyone but you may as well be the scum of the fucking earth if you wish death upon people based on ideology.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?Quote from: S\ash on March 25, 2015, 12:31:33 PMAs a person that lives in one of the states that would be effected this just isn't really fair. I didn't fucking vote for Mary Fallin but yet according to the people in this thread I still "get what I deserve" when an F5 tornado comes barreling through and destroys my whole town and I get no disaster relief. Yes great logic you got there. If you honestly believe in punishing a whole population and putting human lives in immediate danger for a few people's beliefs then you should rightly fucking off yourself.Relief is not going to be withheld.But even with preventative FEMA funds, Oklahoma is still one of the least prepared states in the entire country. Complain to Fallin before you complain to FEMA.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 26, 2015, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 26, 2015, 01:18:51 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?We began arguing on whether house flooding is preventable. Not exactly what the thread is about.Anyways I did post my view on FEMA funds began denied, so I did contribute.But then you almost derailed it with cherrypicking.
Quote from: Kupo on March 26, 2015, 01:25:12 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 26, 2015, 01:23:34 PMQuote from: Kupo on March 26, 2015, 01:18:51 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 24, 2015, 12:55:37 PMI left the rest of it unchallenged because I'd rather not argue about this, so I'm just gonna bow out of le thread ^______^Why did you come here if you had nothing substantial to contribute?We began arguing on whether house flooding is preventable. Not exactly what the thread is about.Anyways I did post my view on FEMA funds began denied, so I did contribute.But then you almost derailed it with cherrypicking.No, I was saying you were generalizing to help your argument.You said you weren't generalizing.So obviously the argument just went in circles from there. Hence I dropped it.Don't bring it back up.
FEMA to stop funding states with climate change-denying governors
