Quote from: 🅱🅾🅾🅿 on May 23, 2017, 07:26:54 PMSo then how do you propose stopping these home grown terrorists, and why is it that countries who haven't accepted any refugees haven't had these same problems? It goes beyond just the terrorist attacks, crime in general has gone up too.See my post above. "But X doesn't have the same problems" is a flawed argument. Countries that didn't let in refugees still see terrorist attacks (see Hungary in 2016) and others that do account for immigrants (Bulgaria, Austria) haven't. These attacks are aimed at high profile Western targets and I don't see a sufficient case made that it's countries letting in refugees which causes these attacks.And immigrants causing crime to go up is also such a shoddy and incorrect argument. There are plenty of studies out there on the lack of strong links between immigration and crime, and there's even more and more and more and more and even more analyses out there on how what you say does not hold true for the current situation in Europe. As for some examples of countries which have taken in refugees:Belgium - Lowest crime rates in 20 years.EU as a whole - Crime rates dropped as a whole, in particular for assault, theft, homicide, robbery, burglarly.Germany - Violent and general crime rates continue to fall ever more despite the influx of immigrants.Sweden - effects of immigration on crime are small and crime stats of the most recent year are virtually identical to the year before while violent and most other forms of crime are lower than they were before the influx of immigrants.
So then how do you propose stopping these home grown terrorists, and why is it that countries who haven't accepted any refugees haven't had these same problems? It goes beyond just the terrorist attacks, crime in general has gone up too.
Do any of you have any idea how ugly deportation is? Of course you don't. You think people are kindly escorted out of the country on an air conditioned bus. Human rights are constantly violated and the places illegal immigrants are imprisoned in prior to deportation they're subject to what can be considered torture from sadistic guards.You guys really think a Muslim version of the trail of tears is a solution? You're out of your fucking minds.
one of my friends best friend died in the bombingI talked to him about it, but this is really shit
Quote from: Ender on May 24, 2017, 08:40:42 PMone of my friends best friend died in the bombingI talked to him about it, but this is really shitI'm tired and that took me a few times to read because I thought it said you talked to your best friend that had died.But that is shit.
Whistleblowers should be shot in the street
Quote from: challengerX on May 24, 2017, 08:15:40 PMDo any of you have any idea how ugly deportation is? Of course you don't. You think people are kindly escorted out of the country on an air conditioned bus. Human rights are constantly violated and the places illegal immigrants are imprisoned in prior to deportation they're subject to what can be considered torture from sadistic guards.You guys really think a Muslim version of the trail of tears is a solution? You're out of your fucking minds.What are the human rights in the middle east?
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on May 24, 2017, 07:34:27 AMDon't have to deport muslims. You can just say you are not allowed to practice Islam here. If they ask why you can just say because we are not allowed to practice our religion in their country.You can in a lot of those nations thoughYou can think of a better reason than that
Don't have to deport muslims. You can just say you are not allowed to practice Islam here. If they ask why you can just say because we are not allowed to practice our religion in their country.
Allow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 05:46:25 AMAllow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deportedAnd besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:51:11 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 05:46:25 AMAllow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deportedAnd besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:14:16 AMAlso, how would "stop Muslims from practicing Islam" accomplish literally anything?You guys know that there are literally passages in the Quran that state that you're allowed to lie about your religion if you are being persecuted for it, and that masquerading as a non-Muslim in such a case is a righteous and holy thing to do, right?Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.Taqiyya is more of a Shia thing. And at the same time it's not something you would see happen because if the American government were to start shutting down mosques and banning Islam it would be more important to practice jihad, not taqiyya. To practice jihad is to struggle in the name of Islam.
Also, how would "stop Muslims from practicing Islam" accomplish literally anything?You guys know that there are literally passages in the Quran that state that you're allowed to lie about your religion if you are being persecuted for it, and that masquerading as a non-Muslim in such a case is a righteous and holy thing to do, right?Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 06:17:59 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:51:11 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 05:46:25 AMAllow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deportedAnd besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.Lmao literally toddler logicApparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 07:12:30 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 06:17:59 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:51:11 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 05:46:25 AMAllow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deportedAnd besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.Lmao literally toddler logicApparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?When have liberals cared about the constitution? Islam is a violent religion. It cannot be allowed no longer.
Quote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 07:40:57 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 07:12:30 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 06:17:59 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:51:11 AMQuote from: Karjala takaisin on May 26, 2017, 05:46:25 AMAllow muslim refugees to enter your country if they sign a deal paper where they promise to give up Islam. Deport them if they break this promise.So essentially; ban law-abiding citizens from practicing freedom of religion?Because if someone's a terrorist, they'd already, you know, do their terror thing before they could be deportedAnd besides, that's extremely unconstitutional, a word that I thought you right-leaning folk shat their pants at the implications of.Islam ban would be justified because we are not allowed to practice christianity in muslim majority countries.Lmao literally toddler logicApparently it's okay to be unconstitutional but only if other people are being meanies?When have liberals cared about the constitution? Islam is a violent religion. It cannot be allowed no longer.So when people you disagree with want to forget the constitution, they're horrible cretins, but when you disagree with the constitution, that's just levelheadedness?Also "it cannot be allowed to longer" lmao
Ah yes, Karjala is still preaching a ban on Islam.And you lot are still arguing with him.
Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.