But that's my point, plenty of innocents have been killed. By the state. It's insanity. I'm telling you though, put those shrimpy ass school shooters in a maximum security prison for life. That's a far worse punishment than death.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on July 27, 2016, 11:08:38 AMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 11:07:05 AMAnyone else find it bizarre how the Democrats are the ones banging their chest saying this country is great, and Republicans are saying otherwise?Conservatism is the new counter-culture.it really is, but watch--there'll be yet another paradigm shift towards the left in another decade or sowhich makes me ahead of the curve
Quote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 11:07:05 AMAnyone else find it bizarre how the Democrats are the ones banging their chest saying this country is great, and Republicans are saying otherwise?Conservatism is the new counter-culture.
Anyone else find it bizarre how the Democrats are the ones banging their chest saying this country is great, and Republicans are saying otherwise?
I think rotting in a cell for the rest of your life is a far greater punishment than taking the easy way out
Quote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 12:02:41 PMI think rotting in a cell for the rest of your life is a far greater punishment than taking the easy way outIt's not about punishment.
Making people rot in a cell is actually quite barbaric.
I would think the death penalty is all about punishment. The ultimate one.
Quote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 12:08:49 PMI would think the death penalty is all about punishment. The ultimate one.i just went over thisssssssssssssWhen you throw a wrapper in the trash can, you wouldn't say you're punishing the wrapper, would you?
I don't think that's a very good comparison since the wrapper A. Didn't do anything wrongB. Is an inanimate object
Quote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 01:34:32 PMI don't think that's a very good comparison since the wrapper A. Didn't do anything wrongB. Is an inanimate objectIts existence behooves you to throw it away, in the same way that you'd dispose of any dreg.People like James Holmes aren't inanimate objects, but my argument is that they should be treated as such. Not as punishment--but as a necessity. You throw away garbage.
Quote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 01:38:44 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 01:34:32 PMI don't think that's a very good comparison since the wrapper A. Didn't do anything wrongB. Is an inanimate objectIts existence behooves you to throw it away, in the same way that you'd dispose of any dreg.People like James Holmes aren't inanimate objects, but my argument is that they should be treated as such. Not as punishment--but as a necessity. You throw away garbage.Couldn't you just as easily say throwing him in a jail cell and throwing away the key is akin to throwing away garbage?
What do you think of solitary confinement?
What's the point of keeping somebody like that alive? To satiate some carnal desire to see someone locked up? The comforting knowledge that they won't get "the easy way out"?
Solitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.
Quote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.
Quote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.
Quote from: Luciana on July 27, 2016, 04:12:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.whats the difference? Dying is dying. If you're gonna kill someone because they're unfit for society and has done something sooooooo horrible shouldnt they get the worst fate possible?
Quote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:12:12 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 27, 2016, 04:12:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.whats the difference? Dying is dying. If you're gonna kill someone because they're unfit for society and has done something sooooooo horrible shouldnt they get the worst fate possible?Because one is a mercy and the other is a torture.
Quote from: Luciana on July 28, 2016, 11:42:39 PMQuote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:12:12 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 27, 2016, 04:12:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.whats the difference? Dying is dying. If you're gonna kill someone because they're unfit for society and has done something sooooooo horrible shouldnt they get the worst fate possible?Because one is a mercy and the other is a torture.If they're getting their life taken away does it really matter?
Quote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:46:18 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 28, 2016, 11:42:39 PMQuote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:12:12 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 27, 2016, 04:12:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.whats the difference? Dying is dying. If you're gonna kill someone because they're unfit for society and has done something sooooooo horrible shouldnt they get the worst fate possible?Because one is a mercy and the other is a torture.If they're getting their life taken away does it really matter?If you're looking at it from an ends justifies the means perspective, no. If you're looking at it from a more ethical and humane perspective, yes.
Quote from: Luciana on July 28, 2016, 11:59:50 PMQuote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:46:18 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 28, 2016, 11:42:39 PMQuote from: The Hån on July 28, 2016, 11:12:12 PMQuote from: Luciana on July 27, 2016, 04:12:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on July 27, 2016, 04:01:19 PMQuote from: Holo on July 27, 2016, 03:35:43 PMSolitary confinement has recently been seen as a form of torture.Would you call it a fate worse than death? That's why I asked.Depends on how you serve the death. If it's quick and painless, yes. If it's something like being burned alive or suffocating for minutes, then no.whats the difference? Dying is dying. If you're gonna kill someone because they're unfit for society and has done something sooooooo horrible shouldnt they get the worst fate possible?Because one is a mercy and the other is a torture.If they're getting their life taken away does it really matter?If you're looking at it from an ends justifies the means perspective, no. If you're looking at it from a more ethical and humane perspective, yes.I just want justice.
Daily reminder that it's 2016, and we have shit like this in the platform of a major political party.
Quote from: Icy on July 27, 2016, 10:13:03 AMDaily reminder that it's 2016, and we have shit like this in the platform of a major political party.lol using the current year meme as an argument
Quote from: Icy on July 31, 2016, 04:46:00 PMQuote from: JUSTFLUXMYSHITUP on July 31, 2016, 04:31:20 PMQuote from: Icy on July 27, 2016, 10:13:03 AMDaily reminder that it's 2016, and we have shit like this in the platform of a major political party.lol using the current year meme as an argumentxCome back when you want to have a discussion.That's not really a tu quoque
Quote from: JUSTFLUXMYSHITUP on July 31, 2016, 04:31:20 PMQuote from: Icy on July 27, 2016, 10:13:03 AMDaily reminder that it's 2016, and we have shit like this in the platform of a major political party.lol using the current year meme as an argumentxCome back when you want to have a discussion.
Bullet point comparison of the RNC and DNC platforms
