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As many of you are probably aware, Brett Kavanaugh is now sworn in.

This isn’t something I’ve followed really at all, and now trying to catch up, it just simply seems that Republicans think he’s innocent while Democrats think he’s guilty. This even goes for people I’d typically consider more nuanced on these types of things.

Apparently 55% if Republicans polled thought that he should be voted in even if he’s guilty. It’s getting to the point where I feel I’m doing myself a disservice listening to any and every political pundit.

Do you think that Kavanaugh should have been voted in?

Do you think there’s enough evidence to be suspicious or even condemn him?


 
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More than anything else, I'm upset that we've sworn in a partisan judge. Which should just be not be a thing, especially when it's a lifelong position.


 
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Probably the most physically gut-wrenched I've felt watching American politics. These politicians have absolutely no principles whatsoever. It's disgusting.


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No. Something like that would've been extremely hard to prove the day after it happened, good fucking luck finding something 36 years later. With that said, he's innocent until proven guilty and all the people saying that doesn't matter because it's not an actual trial can piss off, it's the principle/idea/spirit of the thing.

Do you think there’s enough evidence to be suspicious or even condemn him?


 
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No. Something like that would've been extremely hard to prove the day after it happened, good fucking luck finding something 36 years later. With that said, he's innocent until proven guilty and all the people saying that doesn't matter because it's not an actual trial can piss off, it's the principle/idea/spirit of the thing.

Do you think there’s enough evidence to be suspicious or even condemn him?

I mean he clearly did it, but the main reason he should've been denied for the position was the way he handled the accusations. The entitled anger of a rich white boy who's never known real consequences his entire life. And then 3 days later he tries to apologise for his emotional behaviour. People who have known abusive people in their own lives can see this behaviour coming from miles away; act abusive, then apologise and victimise yourself to make the actual victim feel sorry for you. He's unfit for the position regardless of the allegations' truth.

Peterson had an interesting take on this (that he's now getting flak for from his fellow conservatives) that if Kavanaugh was truly right for the job, upon confirmation, he should have stepped down knowing how polarising he was. This would've have cleared his reputation in most people's eyes and have worked to lessen the divide between parties right now. But no, he knows the only reason he's there is to push the "Trump can pardon himself" initiative knowing that there will most likely be a democratic senate come December that will push to impeach.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
I mean he clearly did it,

I like how you can say that without proof.

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but the main reason he should've been denied for the position was the way he handled the accusations. The entitled anger of a rich white boy who's never known real consequences his entire life. And then 3 days later he tries to apologise for his emotional behaviour. People who have known abusive people in their own lives can see this behaviour coming from miles away; act abusive, then apologise and victimise yourself to make the actual victim feel sorry for you. He's unfit for the position regardless of the allegations' truth.

You're right, he shouldn't have gotten angry. I mean it's not like the main opposition against him getting the position is a bogus story from 36 years ago saying he's sexually harassed someone. Yeah, I can't possibly see why he would be mad over that.

And abusive behavior? Come on, this is ridiculous and you know it. He was angry, and rightfully so, and you think that's a sign of him being abusive? Even if he didn't get the job but his name was cleared, the damage has already been done, he can't go anywhere in public without people going "Oh he's that rapist" not just him but his family has to deal with the shit as well. We'd all be pretty fucking angry if we were in his position and anyone saying they wouldn't be is bullshitting.

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Peterson had an interesting take on this (that he's now getting flak for from his fellow conservatives) that if Kavanaugh was truly right for the job, upon confirmation, he should have stepped down knowing how polarising he was. This would've have cleared his reputation in most people's eyes and have worked to lessen the divide between parties right now. But no, he knows the only reason he's there is to push the "Trump can pardon himself" initiative knowing that there will most likely be a democratic senate come December that will push to impeach.

I like Peterson but that is complete nonsense. If he's completely right for the job why shouldn't he keep his position? All him stepping down would do is appease the people who have worked nonstop for the last month to drag his name through the mud. Anyone Trump nominates is going to go through just as much of a shit show and the seat would be left vacant until who the fuck knows. That's not fair to the people qualified who might be nominated, it's not fair to the Senate (both parties) having to repeat the whole process, and it's not fair to the American people having to watch it.

As for the second half, I know that the opposition party tends to win in the mid-terms but this whole fiasco has spurred multiple news articles on a GOP surge in voter-turnout.
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I mean he clearly did it,

I like how you can say that without proof.

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but the main reason he should've been denied for the position was the way he handled the accusations. The entitled anger of a rich white boy who's never known real consequences his entire life. And then 3 days later he tries to apologise for his emotional behaviour. People who have known abusive people in their own lives can see this behaviour coming from miles away; act abusive, then apologise and victimise yourself to make the actual victim feel sorry for you. He's unfit for the position regardless of the allegations' truth.

You're right, he shouldn't have gotten angry. I mean it's not like the main opposition against him getting the position is a bogus story from 36 years ago saying he's sexually harassed someone. Yeah, I can't possibly see why he would be mad over that.

And abusive behavior? Come on, this is ridiculous and you know it. He was angry, and rightfully so, and you think that's a sign of him being abusive? Even if he didn't get the job but his name was cleared, the damage has already been done, he can't go anywhere in public without people going "Oh he's that rapist" not just him but his family has to deal with the shit as well. We'd all be pretty fucking angry if we were in his position and anyone saying they wouldn't be is bullshitting.

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Peterson had an interesting take on this (that he's now getting flak for from his fellow conservatives) that if Kavanaugh was truly right for the job, upon confirmation, he should have stepped down knowing how polarising he was. This would've have cleared his reputation in most people's eyes and have worked to lessen the divide between parties right now. But no, he knows the only reason he's there is to push the "Trump can pardon himself" initiative knowing that there will most likely be a democratic senate come December that will push to impeach.

I like Peterson but that is complete nonsense. If he's completely right for the job why shouldn't he keep his position? All him stepping down would do is appease the people who have worked nonstop for the last month to drag his name through the mud. Anyone Trump nominates is going to go through just as much of a shit show and the seat would be left vacant until who the fuck knows. That's not fair to the people qualified who might be nominated, it's not fair to the Senate (both parties) having to repeat the whole process, and it's not fair to the American people having to watch it.

As for the second half, I know that the opposition party tends to win in the mid-terms but this whole fiasco has spurred multiple news articles on a GOP surge in voter-turnout.
The only reason he’s the nominee is because he’s the only one who’s gonna make sure that even if trump gets impeached he won’t have to go to prison. Or do you think trump isn’t guilty of several crimes too? Are you going to vote republican this midterm to make sure he can install his dictatorship?


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The only reason he’s the nominee is because he’s the only one who’s gonna make sure that even if trump gets impeached he won’t have to go to prison. Or do you think trump isn’t guilty of several crimes too?

Just because I'm defending Kavanaugh from bullshit sexual assault allegations doesn't mean I agree with him. His opposition would've been far more credible if they had used his multiple perjuries while he was being questioned by the Judiciary Committee instead of trying this nuclear Salem witch hunt (which failed).

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Are you going to vote republican this midterm to make sure he can install his dictatorship?

I vote every two years, and while I am a member of the Republican party, I don't vote on party lines. Not only would it be useless since I'm in the most blue county in the state of FL, the Democratic candidates here aren't really alarming. I may not agree with Bill Nelson on almost every issue but I don't want that absolute snake Rick Scott in the Senate.
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More than anything else, I'm upset that we've sworn in a partisan judge. Which should just be not be a thing, especially when it's a lifelong position.
This. As soon as I heard him wave away all of the accusations as a conspiracy generated as "revenge for the Clintons" I stopped thinking he should have the seat. Judges will have conservative or liberal inclinations (whether slight or riding the margins) but they shouldn't be a part of the partisan circus. Now the Supreme Court, the last branch of the government that the people had faith in, has fallen to the swamp in D.C. just like the other two.


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More than anything else, I'm upset that we've sworn in a partisan judge. Which should just be not be a thing, especially when it's a lifelong position.
This. As soon as I heard him wave away all of the accusations as a conspiracy generated as "revenge for the Clintons" I stopped thinking he should have the seat. Judges will have conservative or liberal inclinations (whether slight or riding the margins) but they shouldn't be a part of the partisan circus. Now the Supreme Court, the last branch of the government that the people had faith in, has fallen to the swamp in D.C. just like the other two.
Honestly is anyone even able to get anywhere in politics/law without being partisan in the current political landscape? Seems like everyone is becoming heavily tribal and moderates are becoming more and more ostracized for committing to remain impartial.


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More than anything else, I'm upset that we've sworn in a partisan judge. Which should just be not be a thing, especially when it's a lifelong position.
This. As soon as I heard him wave away all of the accusations as a conspiracy generated as "revenge for the Clintons" I stopped thinking he should have the seat. Judges will have conservative or liberal inclinations (whether slight or riding the margins) but they shouldn't be a part of the partisan circus. Now the Supreme Court, the last branch of the government that the people had faith in, has fallen to the swamp in D.C. just like the other two.
Honestly is anyone even able to get anywhere in politics/law without being partisan in the current political landscape? Seems like everyone is becoming heavily tribal and moderates are becoming more and more ostracized for committing to remain impartial.
There have been attempts even during the confirmation hearings, like Flake's reach across the isle resulting in the limited-scope FBI investigation. What's sad is that, despite how sad it is that "maybe we should at least do a cursory investigation of the allegations first" is considered bipartisan, what's worse is that the Republican pundit and every-man thinks he's a spineless traitor for it.

Ultimately, the broader application of bipartisanship in the U.S. died with McCain (regardless of his character). You'll see it at the state and local level on non-issues, or beyond on issues that the greater citizenship cares about (like RFRA).


 
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I like how you can say that without proof.

It's obvious from the Ford's testimony and witness accounts of Kavanaugh's personality during the time period.


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You're right, he shouldn't have gotten angry. I mean it's not like the main opposition against him getting the position is a bogus story from 36 years ago saying he's sexually harassed someone. Yeah, I can't possibly see why he would be mad over that.

It doesn't matter if it's "bogus" or not (it's not), regardless of the situation your job is to remain calm as a judge and critically evaluate the situation.

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And abusive behavior? Come on, this is ridiculous and you know it. He was angry, and rightfully so, and you think that's a sign of him being abusive?

Yes, abusive people get loud and angry when things don't go their way, and then apologise and act like the victim of their own suffering to get their actual victims to feel sorry for them. It's textbook abusive behaviour.

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Even if he didn't get the job but his name was cleared, the damage has already been done, he can't go anywhere in public without people going "Oh he's that rapist" not just him but his family has to deal with the shit as well. We'd all be pretty fucking angry if we were in his position and anyone saying they wouldn't be is bullshitting.

So the solution is giving someone everyone thinks is a rapist the job? Gotcha.

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I like Peterson

Retard alert.

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If he's completely right for the job why shouldn't he keep his position?

...I just explained why he shouldn't keep his position... lessening the political divide and clearing his name.

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All him stepping down would do is appease the people who have worked nonstop for the last month to drag his name through the mud.

His name should be dragged through the mud. Barring the rape allegations, the dude is your typical white conservative prep school kid whose never known real consequences and has had his entire life handed to him on a silver platter. He's done nothing of value or significance his entire life except drink like a fiend and pay-off girls he's assaulted.

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Anyone Trump nominates is going to go through just as much of a shit show and the seat would be left vacant until who the fuck knows. That's not fair to the people qualified who might be nominated, it's not fair to the Senate (both parties) having to repeat the whole process, and it's not fair to the American people having to watch it.

I'd rather the seat be left vacant than filled with the only person who thinks the President can pardon himself when he's accused of treason.

Anyone on the conservative side of American politics right now, even considering the left's MANY faults, is an absolute fucking brainlet that enables rapists, male entitlement, and treason.


 
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Just because I'm defending Kavanaugh from bullshit sexual assault allegations doesn't mean I agree with him. His opposition would've been far more credible if they had used his multiple perjuries while he was being questioned by the Judiciary Committee instead of trying this nuclear Salem witch hunt (which failed).
Why don’t you answer what I’m asking you instead of pretending to be Lindsey Graham.

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I vote every two years, and while I am a member of the Republican party, I don't vote on party lines. Not only would it be useless since I'm in the most blue county in the state of FL, the Democratic candidates here aren't really alarming. I may not agree with Bill Nelson on almost every issue but I don't want that absolute snake Rick Scott in the Senate.
This is about getting trump out of office. He’s a criminal. He’s a traitor. This is way beyond partisanship, it’s about our democracy.


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Garlemald did nothing wrong.
Why don’t you answer what I’m asking you instead of pretending to be Lindsey Graham.

Do I think he's guilty of several crimes? Probably. But I'll let the investigations decide the absolute answer. I don't know how many times I have to say it for you to be satisfied but I'll humor you: I don't like Trump.

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This is about getting trump out of office. He’s a criminal. He’s a traitor. This is way beyond partisanship, it’s about our democracy.

There's other ways of fighting back against Trump, even on the subject of Kavanaugh; but this was by far the worst possible way of doing so.


 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>This isn’t something I’ve followed really at all, and now trying to catch up

I’m sorry that you’re an uninformed retard, but that really isn’t my fault.


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>This isn’t something I’ve followed really at all, and now trying to catch up

I’m sorry that you’re an uninformed retard, but that really isn’t my fault.
Sorry I don’t have much desire to follow modern politics when overly emotional retards like yourself is all I ever see anymore.

Remind me which of us is mad, again?


 
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
>This isn’t something I’ve followed really at all, and now trying to catch up

I’m sorry that you’re an uninformed retard, but that really isn’t my fault.
Sorry I don’t have much desire to follow modern politics when overly emotional retards like yourself is all I ever see anymore.

Remind me which of us is mad, again?
So you have no idea what’s going on with politics, yet you’re mocking me because I know exactly how bad things are and I find apathetic people like you as detestable as those who support trump.

Sit back and think of how fundamentally stupid you are, then go fuck yourself in the ass with the biggest knife in your kitchen.


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>This isn’t something I’ve followed really at all, and now trying to catch up

I’m sorry that you’re an uninformed retard, but that really isn’t my fault.
Sorry I don’t have much desire to follow modern politics when overly emotional retards like yourself is all I ever see anymore.

Remind me which of us is mad, again?
So you have no idea what’s going on with politics, yet you’re mocking me because I know exactly how bad things are and I find apathetic people like you as detestable as those who support trump.

Sit back and think of how fundamentally stupid you are, then go fuck yourself in the ass with the biggest knife in your kitchen.
Nice one, Deci.

Clearly, I’m just so apathetic and don’t care about anything, which is why I made this thread you fucking retard. You don’t know shit about anything. You’re posts in this thread are conspiratorial garbage. Honestly from looking things up after making this thread, I can confidently say I’m more informed than you are.


 
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Nice one, Deci.

Clearly, I’m just so apathetic and don’t care about anything, which is why I made this thread you fucking retard.
You made the thread with almost zero information.

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You don’t know shit about anything.
Ok Husky.

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posts in this thread are conspiratorial garbage.
Why else do you think trump wants him and only him on the Supreme Court? This is all about him doing everything he can to stay in power and not have to face justice for his crimes.

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Honestly from looking things up after making this thread, I can confidently say I’m more informed than you are.
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Nice one, Deci.

Clearly, I’m just so apathetic and don’t care about anything, which is why I made this thread you fucking retard.
You made the thread with almost zero information.
You assumed that. I was looking things up before I made this thread, and figured this board would have more compelling insight than I’d been hearing. Clearly I was wrong.

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posts in this thread are conspiratorial garbage.
Why else do you think trump wants him and only him on the Supreme Court? This is all about him doing everything he can to stay in power and not have to face justice for his crimes.
Even if this theory is true, one Supreme Court Justice isn’t going to appoint Trump to dictator.

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Honestly from looking things up after making this thread, I can confidently say I’m more informed than you are.
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No evidence to the contrary.


 
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You assumed that. I was looking things up before I made this thread, and figured this board would have more compelling insight than I’d been hearing. Clearly I was wrong.
”Honestly from looking things up after making this thread”

I assumed nothing, you literally said that. And I gave you the compelling insight you’re looking for. Whether or not you can accept it is up to you.

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How come you didn’t quote me calling you Husky? Wow you quoted every other part of my post but that one. I wonder what that means.

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Even if this theory is true, one Supreme Court Justice isn’t going to appoint Trump to dictator.
It’s this scumbag with Kavanaugh that gives them the majority. Not to mention trump can simply stall elections claiming there was tampering if his Russian handlers interfere to the benefit of the Democrats and he can then also declare martial law.

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No evidence to the contrary.
You have no idea what’s going on.


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I'm not sure how far up your own ass you have to be to not see the fact that Trump sold out America to the Russians or that Kavanaugh was only chosen because he said the President could pardon himself in the event he gets impeached (which he will if Dems win midterms.)


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Kavanaugh was only chosen because he said the President could pardon himself in the event he gets impeached
I could see this being true, but generally I won't blindly follow every narrative pushed by the masses without there being convincing evidence.


 
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Kavanaugh was only chosen because he said the President could pardon himself in the event he gets impeached
I could see this being true, but generally I won't blindly follow every narrative pushed by the masses without there being convincing evidence.

Wow, what a free thinker you are.


 
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Kavanaugh was only chosen because he said the President could pardon himself in the event he gets impeached
I could see this being true, but generally I won't blindly follow every narrative pushed by the masses without there being convincing evidence.
Yeah you’re not a blind sheep like the rest of us. One could almost say you’re a maverick.