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I'd love to see an explanation on how any of those make you less free.
More restrictions = less freedoms.

Not hard to grasp, man.
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Do they make life more difficult? Possibly. Because you guys are acting like New York is North Korea in comparison to grand old Alabama when all these hick states have discriminatory laws and split their boundaries so minority votes are worthless.
Hopefully this isn't directed towards me.  I never made that claim.  But to say that California and New York are better than every other state is a bold claim.  I also hope that we're referring strictly to the governments here.
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Still, it's America and and the states we think are worse than the other are still better than Europe.
Estonia is cooler than any American state, imo.  If more of the population spoke English I'd consider moving there.
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Fact of the matter is you guys cherry pick a few things and blow them out of proportion to make California and New York look like terrible places to live when they're actually better than almost all the other states.
It's not really cherry-picking.  These are laws that effect millions of people.  Whether or not it's blown out of proportion is a matter of opinion.  All unjust laws should be put in the spotlight, even if it only raises awareness and doesn't change the law.
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None of you have lived in either, so that's another thing you have stacked against you on top of partisanship.
You don't have to live somewhere to recognize shitty laws and regulations.  I could say the same thing to you, since you most likely haven't lived in the hick states you rail against.  Also know that a criticism of a state's government isn't a criticism of the people living under it.


 
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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.


 
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And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
That's what I'm for.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
That's what I'm for.
anarchist pipe dreamer pls go and stay go
Government ideologies and the limits of freedom and enforceable regulations need to stay rooted in reality.


 
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States rights are cool and all until the states you don't like start exercising them.


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
That's what I'm for.


 
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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
As if it's that simple. (Literally one of the stupidest things you've ever said.)

Example: What if the victim is an invalid?


 
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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
As if it's that simple. What if the victim is an invalid?
He can't shoot people? He can't roll with people who shoot people?

It's survival of the fittest. No laws, no government, no institutions of any kind.
lol stop


 
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"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."
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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
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I didn't even touche firearm policy or California.
I don't see how people have less freedom due to these laws. They're bad things to be sure, but they don't restrict freedom.

The exception being Stop and Frisk. But seeing how Arizona has Nazi police that ask you for your paperwork, your argument is moot.
I've never had a problem like that with them or heard of that, maybe that is just close to the border? And perhaps if you have reasonable suspicion that they might be in this country illegally, they have a duty to investigate. After all.. Police are there to enforce laws and investigate.

I don't want people here illegally. The only exception I would make to house illegals is if there is a disgusting war plaguing their nation or genocide.. Otherwise, they need to put effort into fixing what is wrong with their nation, or stop waving their flag in America and start learning on what you must do to be a true, legit, American citizen. 


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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
As if it's that simple. What if the victim is an invalid?
He can't shoot people? He can't roll with people who shoot people?

It's survival of the fittest. No laws, no government, no institutions of any kind.
lol stop
Stop what?

I mean freedom in its truest form is absolutely no restrictions.
baiting is infringing on my rights


 
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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
As if it's that simple. What if the victim is an invalid?
He can't shoot people? He can't roll with people who shoot people?

It's survival of the fittest. No laws, no government, no institutions of any kind.
lol stop
Stop what?

I mean freedom in its truest form is absolutely no restrictions.
baiting is infringing on my rights
I'm not baiting.
And I'm straight...?


 
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Freedom is the right to gang rape people on their vacation. It goes both ways. That's why we can't have true freedom.
I really want to address how fucking retarded this comment is, but I feel like I shouldn't even give it attention. I'm conflicted.
Except that's what true freedom is. To do what ever you want to.

Pretty simple concept.
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
As if it's that simple. What if the victim is an invalid?
He can't shoot people? He can't roll with people who shoot people?

It's survival of the fittest. No laws, no government, no institutions of any kind.
lol stop
Stop what?

I mean freedom in its truest form is absolutely no restrictions.
baiting is infringing on my rights
I'm not baiting.
And I'm straight...?
I'm trolling because you can't comprehend what actual freedom is?
Um... y-yes...?


 
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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
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I didn't even touche firearm policy or California.
I don't see how people have less freedom due to these laws. They're bad things to be sure, but they don't restrict freedom.

The exception being Stop and Frisk. But seeing how Arizona has Nazi police that ask you for your paperwork, your argument is moot.
I've never had a problem like that with them or heard of that, maybe that is just close to the border? And perhaps if you have reasonable suspicion that they might be in this country illegally, they have a duty to investigate. After all.. Police are there to enforce laws and investigate.

I don't want people here illegally. The only exception I would make to house illegals is if there is a disgusting war plaguing their nation or genocide.. Otherwise, they need to put effort into fixing what is wrong with their nation, or stop waving their flag in America and start learning on what you must do to be a true, legit, American citizen.
They basically randomly stop Mexicans and ask them for paperwork.

Nazis
Tough shit, I'm sorry? Its common knowledge that most illegal immigrants come from the Southern border.. and more common knowledge that the vast majority are of hispanic descent. Now if they pull a car over and hear nothing but Spanish talk, or maybe poorly spoken English, that's enough to suspect something in my opinion. Yes, that isn't fair, but an investigation should still be made..

We don't want an uninsured illegal get in a car wreck, then sue and somehow win the law suit. <—Which that is much easier to pull off in guess what state? California ; P


 
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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
Alright...

No right to work laws
Absurdly high state income tax
Rent control
NYC eminent domain regulations disproportionately favor developers over homeowners
Funding for worker's comp is severely restricted
Non-group coverage is nearly a nonexistent option due to state over regulation
Stop and Frisk
Tobbaco policy even more restrictive than Pennsylvania's own
"Motor Vehicle Law Enforcement Fee"

I didn't even touche firearm policy or California.
I don't see how people have less freedom due to these laws. They're bad things to be sure, but they don't restrict freedom.

The exception being Stop and Frisk. But seeing how Arizona has Nazi police that ask you for your paperwork, your argument is moot.
I've never had a problem like that with them or heard of that, maybe that is just close to the border? And perhaps if you have reasonable suspicion that they might be in this country illegally, they have a duty to investigate. After all.. Police are there to enforce laws and investigate.

I don't want people here illegally. The only exception I would make to house illegals is if there is a disgusting war plaguing their nation or genocide.. Otherwise, they need to put effort into fixing what is wrong with their nation, or stop waving their flag in America and start learning on what you must do to be a true, legit, American citizen.
They basically randomly stop Mexicans and ask them for paperwork.

Nazis
Tough shit, I'm sorry? Its common knowledge that most illegal immigrants come from the Southern border.. and more common knowledge that the vast majority are of hispanic descent. Now if they pull a car over and hear nothing but Spanish talk, or maybe poorly spoken English, that's enough to suspect something in my opinion. Yes, that isn't fair, but an investigation should still be made..
So we should "investigate" people for the way they look and talk even though they're doing absolutely nothing illegal? How would you like that? You wouldn't, but you don't care because you'll never have to experience that.

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We don't want an uninsured illegal get in a car wreck, then sue and somehow win the law suit. <—Which that is much easier to pull off in guess what state? California ; P
Is that so? Proof?
The proof is what you hear among the common folk of the state and the states next to them. You won't hear that on the news, because they think they are better by covering stories that are far less important.

You're right, I won't have that problem, why? Because I was born and raised here, I speak the NATIVE language perfectly (Even though my last name is a Foreign last name and very uncommon) and know the laws of the land, that I know suing someone else for my own stupidity would be wrong and is not justifiable.

IF I did have that problem, perhaps I would re-adjust my behavior to lessen the possibility of that to occur. I wouldn't have my windows rolled down, playing pure hispanic music as loud as I can at midnight in a neighborhood.

True my Grandfather was a low-life and came here illegally, but one of the few things he did do right was that he worked hard and earned his citizenship legally and legitimately.
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
And what about the 'freedom' of the victim? They obviously wouldn't 'want' to be raped. That's not freedom.
They have the freedom to kill their attacker.

See, that's what true freedom is. Where everybody does whatever they want.
That's what I'm for.

Wow this isn't a strawman piece of garbage at all.
Yeah you're right. It's satire.

Look, I'm all for more economic and social freedom. But this sentiment of absolutely no semblance of government whatsoever, is well, retarded to put it lightly. Basic governance is essential for society to operate. I know this raises a lot of anarcho capitalist heckles here, but it's a fact.


 
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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
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No right to work laws
Absurdly high state income tax
Rent control
NYC eminent domain regulations disproportionately favor developers over homeowners
Funding for worker's comp is severely restricted
Non-group coverage is nearly a nonexistent option due to state over regulation
Stop and Frisk
Tobbaco policy even more restrictive than Pennsylvania's own
"Motor Vehicle Law Enforcement Fee"

I didn't even touche firearm policy or California.
I don't see how people have less freedom due to these laws. They're bad things to be sure, but they don't restrict freedom.

The exception being Stop and Frisk. But seeing how Arizona has Nazi police that ask you for your paperwork, your argument is moot.
I've never had a problem like that with them or heard of that, maybe that is just close to the border? And perhaps if you have reasonable suspicion that they might be in this country illegally, they have a duty to investigate. After all.. Police are there to enforce laws and investigate.

I don't want people here illegally. The only exception I would make to house illegals is if there is a disgusting war plaguing their nation or genocide.. Otherwise, they need to put effort into fixing what is wrong with their nation, or stop waving their flag in America and start learning on what you must do to be a true, legit, American citizen.
They basically randomly stop Mexicans and ask them for paperwork.

Nazis
Tough shit, I'm sorry? Its common knowledge that most illegal immigrants come from the Southern border.. and more common knowledge that the vast majority are of hispanic descent. Now if they pull a car over and hear nothing but Spanish talk, or maybe poorly spoken English, that's enough to suspect something in my opinion. Yes, that isn't fair, but an investigation should still be made..
So we should "investigate" people for the way they look and talk even though they're doing absolutely nothing illegal? How would you like that? You wouldn't, but you don't care because you'll never have to experience that.

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We don't want an uninsured illegal get in a car wreck, then sue and somehow win the law suit. <—Which that is much easier to pull off in guess what state? California ; P
Is that so? Proof?
The proof is what you hear among the common folk of the state and the states next to them. You won't hear that on the news, because they think they are better by covering stories that are far less important.
So racist shit people say. Cool beans.

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You're right, I won't have that problem, why? Because I was born and raised here, I speak the NATIVE language perfectly (Even though my last name is a Foreign last name and very uncommon) and know the laws of the land, that I know suing someone else for my own stupidity would be wrong and is not justifiable.
Many Mexicans speak English ans Spanish. Why can't they speak Spanish? Is it illegal to speak Spanish? You're for taking away the freedom to speak whatever language you want to speak in America?

And English isn't the native language to America. At all.

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IF I did have that problem, perhaps I would re-adjust my behavior to lessen the possibility of that to occur. I wouldn't have my windows rolled down, playing pure hispanic music as loud as I can at midnight in a neighborhood.
What? These people are stopped in broad day doing absolutely nothing to disturb the peace or breaking any laws.

And even if they were playing music too loud at midnight, the police have no other duty other than telling them to lower the volume. What the hell does it matter if it's hispanic music? If they played country music that'd be fine?

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True my Grandfather was a low-life and came here illegally, but one of the few things he did do right was that he worked hard and earned his citizenship legally and legitimately.
Because Mexicans that cross the border illegally don't come to America and work hard and try to earn citizenship? Who in the fuck are you, the grandchild of an illegal immigrant, to say others shouldn't do what your grandfather did? Don't you see you're the proof that illegal immigrants aren't actually some sort of terrible problem the GOP makes them out to be?

Fucking hell. How can you hate people who are trying to lead better lives and love America as much as or possibly more than you do? Do you know how many Mexicans try to join the military and get turned away when they realize they don't have paperwork? Patriots denied the chance to give the ultimate thing back to their country because they love it so much: life.
You sound mad bro. Wake up dude, seriously.