13,000 Syrians tortured to death in Government areas since start of Syrian War.

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 01:54:12 PM

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nearly-13-000-syrians-killed-regime-torture-since-132306482.html#TJMP5qZ

"But Assad is better than IS!!!!"

More Than Mortal · March 13, 2015, 01:57:09 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 01:54:12 PM

"But Assad is better than IS!!!!"

Yeah, he kind of is.

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 01:59:47 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 13, 2015, 01:57:09 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
"But Assad is better than IS!!!!"
Yeah, he kind of is.

In the way that he doesn't want to export terrorism to the rest of the world and only keep it in Syria, then yes.

aREALgod · March 13, 2015, 02:10:07 PM

>LOL LET'S DEBATE WHO'S MORE EVIL OF THE EVILS

Who gives a shit? This situation is literally just 'pick your poison', and Assad at least isn't an insane fundamental group trying to make the world their caliphate.

Mr. Psychologist · March 13, 2015, 02:36:09 PM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 13, 2015, 02:10:07 PM

>LOL LET'S DEBATE WHO'S MORE EVIL OF THE EVILS

Who gives a shit? This situation is literally just 'pick your poison', and Assad at least isn't an insane fundamental group trying to make the world their caliphate.

My thoughts on the matter^.

Assad might be a bastard butcher, but honestly I'd still rather have him running the show than ISIS. And IIRC prior to the, you know civil war and everything, I don't think he was actually that bad at all. The syrian people kind of fucked themselves over with all that rebellion, they sent a kinda shitty ruler over the edge and opened pandora's box in their back garden with Jihadis.

challengerX · March 13, 2015, 02:53:29 PM

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Mordo · March 13, 2015, 02:54:10 PM

Well, yeah he is.

But I fail to see how turning this into Top Trumps: Dictator edition is going to solve anything.

gats · March 13, 2015, 03:14:14 PM

does it say who? because if he's torturing isis soldiers then i couldn't give a shit

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on March 13, 2015, 02:36:09 PM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 13, 2015, 02:10:07 PM
>LOL LET'S DEBATE WHO'S MORE EVIL OF THE EVILS

Who gives a shit? This situation is literally just 'pick your poison', and Assad at least isn't an insane fundamental group trying to make the world their caliphate.

My thoughts on the matter^.

Assad might be a bastard butcher, but honestly I'd still rather have him running the show than ISIS. And IIRC prior to the, you know civil war and everything, I don't think he was actually that bad at all. The syrian people kind of fucked themselves over with all that rebellion, they sent a kinda shitty ruler over the edge and opened pandora's box in their back garden with Jihadis.

Actually, I can explain to you how IS and Assad complement eachother fairly well if you got the ears for it...

>_>

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 05:47:18 PM

Quote from: gats on March 13, 2015, 03:14:14 PM

does it say who? because if he's torturing isis soldiers then i couldn't give a shit

The vast majority of them are civilians they scooped up from the nonviolent protest movements. Some of which date back for over 4 years ago. Think about it, there could be some people who have been tortured every day for 4 years straight.?

Mr. Psychologist · March 13, 2015, 05:47:58 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on March 13, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 13, 2015, 02:10:07 PM
>LOL LET'S DEBATE WHO'S MORE EVIL OF THE EVILS

Who gives a shit? This situation is literally just 'pick your poison', and Assad at least isn't an insane fundamental group trying to make the world their caliphate.

My thoughts on the matter^.

Assad might be a bastard butcher, but honestly I'd still rather have him running the show than ISIS. And IIRC prior to the, you know civil war and everything, I don't think he was actually that bad at all. The syrian people kind of fucked themselves over with all that rebellion, they sent a kinda shitty ruler over the edge and opened pandora's box in their back garden with Jihadis.
Actually, I can explain to you how IS and Assad complement eachother fairly well if you got the ears for it...

>_>

Fire away <.<

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 05:48:50 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 13, 2015, 02:53:29 PM

We should just bomb Syria and be done with it. They've already destroyed all the precious artifacts and the there are millions of homeless and starving people.

Fuck it.

No.

As long as there is even one civilian in Syria who can still be saved, we should save them.

Unless you mean bombing strongholds of the warring factions, which I wouldn't give a fuck if that happened. They all signed their death warrants long ago.

gats · March 13, 2015, 05:52:52 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 05:47:18 PM

Quote from: gats on March 13, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
does it say who? because if he's torturing isis soldiers then i couldn't give a shit
The vast majority of them are civilians they scooped up from the nonviolent protest movements. Some of which date back for over 4 years ago. Think about it, there could be some people who have been tortured every day for 4 years straight.?

well that's not good is it

challengerX · March 13, 2015, 05:57:15 PM

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Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 05:58:33 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on March 13, 2015, 05:47:58 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on March 13, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: aTALLmidget on March 13, 2015, 02:10:07 PM
>LOL LET'S DEBATE WHO'S MORE EVIL OF THE EVILS

Who gives a shit? This situation is literally just 'pick your poison', and Assad at least isn't an insane fundamental group trying to make the world their caliphate.

My thoughts on the matter^.

Assad might be a bastard butcher, but honestly I'd still rather have him running the show than ISIS. And IIRC prior to the, you know civil war and everything, I don't think he was actually that bad at all. The syrian people kind of fucked themselves over with all that rebellion, they sent a kinda shitty ruler over the edge and opened pandora's box in their back garden with Jihadis.
Actually, I can explain to you how IS and Assad complement eachother fairly well if you got the ears for it...

>_>
Fire away <.<

IS has actually been a blessing for the Assad regime. Since the very first of the day, Assad's rhetoric hasn't been that they are good, and that the god-blessed Syrian Arab Army is perfect. Cause then nobody would believe him. So his justification for the war has been "We may be bad. But we're not IS. So you should rehabilitate us and continue letting us do our thing."

And IS has made that into a reality. And Mr. Assad himself knows that IS is the only thing saving his government from being bombed by Western nations, so it is in his highest interest to never fully eradicate IS. Since 80% of the frontline of IS in Syria is against the Government is against Assad's regime, let's see where they've been fighting...

They've been fighting over Deir ez-Zor, which is the Government's last strong in extremely oil-rich Deir ez-Zor governorate. They've been fighting over the oil wells in Eastern Homs Governorate. They've been fighting in Hasakah, which is one of the last two Government strongholds in Hasakah Governorate. Those are the only locations where the Government and IS have been fighting. And even those are solely being fought over oil, since that is a resource that the Government and IS are desperately short on. The Government has no interest to retake Raqqa. No interest in retakin all the cities in Eastern Aleppo Governorate held by IS.

Hell, the Government even pit IS and the other Rebels against eachother for the better part of a year until the disaster at Tabqa Air Force base, in which 200 captured Government soldiers were executed by IS. And even to this day, the vast majority of Government resources goes to fighting non-IS rebels.

Oh god, I've been talking a lot. I hope you can understand the general gist of what I'm saying. Which is that the Government has zero reason to take on IS, cause IS is the sole reason the West has stopped demanding Assad's immediate resignation and threatening his regime.

(I don't do well with long rants)

Not Comms Officer · March 13, 2015, 06:00:12 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 13, 2015, 05:57:15 PM

Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 13, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: challengerX on March 13, 2015, 02:53:29 PM
We should just bomb Syria and be done with it. They've already destroyed all the precious artifacts and the there are millions of homeless and starving people.

Fuck it.
No.

As long as there is even one civilian in Syria who can still be saved, we should save them.

Unless you mean bombing strongholds of the warring factions, which I wouldn't give a fuck if that happened. They all signed their death warrants long ago.
Bomb strongholds of Rebels and the Syrian government.

Otherwise this is gonna go on for a decade.

Funny enough, a 2003 Iraq invasion-style intervention may be one of the best solutions by this point... :/

Though what separates Syria from Iraq is that Syria has allies who will openly declare war on the US over any sort of intervention. Which sucks balls.