We need a change of rules/culture in Serious

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Enforceable rules:
>No more posting 'memes' as arguments
Nobody has actually done that in my own experience. The only time I've seen that happen was with Challenger's laughing gif, which was followed by a link.

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>No more reaction images, general insults, and deconstructive replies
I don't agree with this. Way too vague. Is calling some ignorant an insult? Only if they want to make it that way. Calling people dense, stupid, ignorant or moronic is understandable if they repeatedly ignore your points or can't seem to grasp it. If they're calling you a shitflinging mongoloid, or telling you to kill yourself or something to that effect then, yes, that should be censored.

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>No more quoting a post and saying "lol" or "LOLOLOL," especially not when that's the only content in the post
Why does this need to be an enforceable rule? If you don't like somebody saying lol, all you need to do is really ignore it. I agree with LOLOLOLOL, though, that can get obnoxious sometimes.

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>No more self defense to someone else's insults; replying to someone trying to start an unlawful fight with you puts you in the wrong as well
Completely disagree. I should be able to call out somebody for intentionally insulting me or saying inflammatory things, and I should expect either an apology or an explanation. If, by this, you mean no insults in retaliation, then yes I completely agree.

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>Don't judge arguments based on what you think about the OP
Yes.

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>Don't get offended over opinions you don't like

Yes.

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>Don't assume getting the last post in a debate means you won the debate; debates are won when a compromise has been made, the argument comes down to a difference in ethics, or a final conclusion cannot be reached with available evidence
Meh.

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>If you believe someone is being completely unreasonable, stop replying, do not continue on a string of replies that isn't getting you anywhere
Well that's just totally inconsequential. I don't want the mods deciding for me whether the threshold for "unreasonableness" has been crossed, even if I call somebody out as unreasonable. Debates and discussions are as much for everybody's benefit, not just the parties involved. The two parties should be able to carry on a debate for as long as they wish, so long as it doesn't transgress the rules mentioned above.


 
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>Don't assume getting the last post in a debate means you won the debate; debates are won when a compromise has been made, the argument comes down to a difference in ethics, or a final conclusion cannot be reached with available evidence
Meh.
So if I were trying to convince you that 2 + 2 = 5, and I kept replying after you gave up, would that mean you lost the argument?
I just disagree with your criteria for winning a debate, to be honest. I fully agree with the idea that you shouldn't presume to have convinced the other person of your position, however legitimate, and you shouldn't think getting the last word equals victory.

But yeah, other than that I pretty much agree.


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The more I read this, the more I think that some of these particular rules should be known by the posters and not enforced by the mods.
I agree with quite a few though.


 
 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.


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The debates aren't so much a dog pile on Kinder as him saying something blatantly wrong and pretty much everyone else calling it out. Even then, I don't think it's that common.


 
 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Playing devil's advocate, even if not openly, is completely harmless. I won't deny that I find it really funny, but it's still relayed in a mature manner and it's explicitly different from utter spam and shitposting. Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder, it really doesn't hurt to add some variety.

And as I said, there really isn't anyone on Serious who follows the kind of format for an actual, formal debate board (even though you weren't supposed to call other people out in this thread, I made it clear that we can all improve to some degree), which essentially is what this board is meant to be. It's not just a place for religious and political topics; there's a much higher standard for behavior, yet that standard is not held.

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The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying
I don't think so. The Serious board is rather slow and if people can self regulate it should make things easier.

The bottom line is that if the behavior here is the same as it is in the Flood, then there's no point in having a separate board and pretend that it's actually the "serious" board.

Hmm I suppose, I think lately Serious has actually been a little less like that because there is more diversity to the topics. Sure the religion thread went down the crapper but when have serious religious discussion on the internet ever not gone that way. Barring Rocketman's thread that is >_>

When it appears to be a dog pile on whoever, it's usually because that person has said something that is incorrect or expressed an ignorant opinion. For whatever reason though, Serious seems to be getting a little less highly strung and I would hope it's because people are either thinking a bit more before posting or they are less inclined to go full flame.

A few reaction gifs/lol/videos keeps it lively and interesting, if people want dry discussion then Reddit exists. Serious is about serious topics, with a serious tone of discussion but it's still populated with floodians and as such trying to make it as straight laced as some leddit subboards will kill it off quickly.


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I agree with you there. Although of you look at my liberal thread it's quite clear why it so easily devolves that way >.>


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What exactly is your criteria for having won a debate?
Being correct.

I'm just resistant to the idea that compromise is always involved, or that a difference of ethics is a good enough reason to maintain a status quo. I debate, not so much for the sake of them, but for my own sake. Whether they agree or not in the end is largely immaterial.


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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here


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I intentionally make it like such.

Suuuure...


 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here
I'm making absolutely shit money on the site right now. :(

Finding a good CPM ad service that will accept us is fucking difficult.


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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here
I'm making absolutely shit money on the site right now. :(

Finding a good CPM ad service that will accept us is fucking difficult.
Whatever happened to the ebay ones? I would assume they'd pay decently since it's ya know, ebay


 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here
I'm making absolutely shit money on the site right now. :(

Finding a good CPM ad service that will accept us is fucking difficult.
Whatever happened to the ebay ones? I would assume they'd pay decently since it's ya know, ebay
That and the ones we have now are CPC, or cost per click, and depend on people actually clicking them. Adsense was CPM, which is cost per thousand views.

I need to come up with something else because we have made about $1 on these ads so far (after eBay).


 
 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here
I'm making absolutely shit money on the site right now. :(

Finding a good CPM ad service that will accept us is fucking difficult.
Whatever happened to the ebay ones? I would assume they'd pay decently since it's ya know, ebay
That and the ones we have now are CPC, or cost per click, and depend on people actually clicking them. Adsense was CPM, which is cost per thousand views.

I need to come up with something else because we have made about $1 on these ads so far (after eBay).

The trouble is, a lot of the ads don't really look all that legitimate and some look downright scam tier <.<
So having to click them is pretty... unpleasant for all involved. But even with adsense a fair few looked dodgy as hell.


 
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Mods, please edit posts that call people out and act in an immature behavior. It will not be tolerated in this thread and I'd like us to practice the kind of behavior we should all, unsubjectively, try to attain.

lol

LOLOLOLOL

[Inset le meme here]

But seriously, you aren't one to talk on this matter when you frequently bait the forum. Unless you are game for me editing out all of your bait that is, in which case we get to play subjectivity debate 24/7 edition.

The rules might be enforceable but that would require so much absurd nannying that you might want to consider moving to the UK where the state can hold your hand all day.

However, the guidelines are all good and if people stuck to something like that then I'm sure the serious board would be a much better place. I would also add in 'No baiting in the serious forum' to your guidelines though, for raisins.
Pl Seeing as the majority of the debates here are just a dog pile on kinder
I intentionally make it like such. Sometimes that forum gets boring with everybody agreeing and something different just needs to happen to spice things up. Plus with the constant refreshing and replying, I'd assume it would increase the money Cheat makes from ads. I'm doing a service here
I'm making absolutely shit money on the site right now. :(

Finding a good CPM ad service that will accept us is fucking difficult.
Whatever happened to the ebay ones? I would assume they'd pay decently since it's ya know, ebay
That and the ones we have now are CPC, or cost per click, and depend on people actually clicking them. Adsense was CPM, which is cost per thousand views.

I need to come up with something else because we have made about $1 on these ads so far (after eBay).

The trouble is, a lot of the ads don't really look all that legitimate and some look downright scam tier <.<
So having to click them is pretty... unpleasant for all involved. But even with adsense a fair few looked dodgy as hell.
I know. I'm planning on working on an ad that can directly make the site money, without going through an ad publisher, that will be 100% unobtrusive and safe to click (since it'll direct you to a page on this site).

More on that later. For now, we have to deal with the pennies these ads bring in.