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The Flood / Re: Art Hub
« on: Today at 01:15:26 AM »
Some graff sketches I've done recently:





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Serious / Re: Have you ever felt fear of god?
« on: November 18, 2018, 06:47:26 PM »
Well It wasn't a fear of a literal god, but the closest thing I've experienced to something you could call "cosmic dread" was when I took a near herioc dose of 4-aco-dmt and ended up fighting the trip because I didn't want to have ego death at the time.

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The Flood / Re: I don't say bad words anymore
« on: November 17, 2018, 11:36:24 PM »
tbh swearing is so woven into my everyday vocabulary that I do it without even thinking.

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anyway, chronic got it
Okay then any pic of Dane Dehaan as edgy boy Harry Osborn.

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Gaming / Re: Last day to get Destiny 2 for free on PC
« on: November 17, 2018, 09:02:25 PM »
I got this because I never really pass up on free games, but you still have to spend like 80 bucks to play the full thing, so I'll probably never play it.

forsaken is only 40 dollars and now includes the first two expansions from year 1.
So it's like a season pass for all the DLC so far? I guess that's not so harsh then. Though, if I was to spend 40 on a game right now it would probably be the Spyro remake.

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Gaming / Re: Last day to get Destiny 2 for free on PC
« on: November 17, 2018, 04:10:49 PM »
I got this because I never really pass up on free games, but you still have to spend like 80 bucks to play the full thing, so I'll probably never play it.

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Is the OP the first post or does it not count?

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The Flood / Re: Is it bad that I agree with this racist apologist?
« on: November 15, 2018, 12:24:42 PM »
Violence against ideas is authoritarian
could just be cathartic
A lot of it is probably very cathartic for people, but it's still essentially telling someone that they don't have a right to express their opinion without the threat of physical harm.

A society where that is acceptable is not free.

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The Flood / Re: Is it bad that I agree with this racist apologist?
« on: November 15, 2018, 12:04:10 PM »
How is dude being an apologist? He was clearly saying that racism is bad.

Violence against ideas is authoritarian, even if those ideas themselves are authoritarian. You don't fight authoritarianism with more authoritarianism.

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The Flood / Re: i get paid on thurs, should I get fallout 76 or RDR2
« on: November 13, 2018, 06:56:36 PM »
im dying in the next five years lol why should I care about my credit
Why's that?
Rampant self-destructive hedonism.

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The Flood / Re: Stan Lee has passed away.
« on: November 12, 2018, 04:04:19 PM »
no more cameos =[

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Serious / Re: Fuck Illinois
« on: November 06, 2018, 08:20:48 PM »
Legalize all drugs.

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Serious / Re: Should women be allowed in the army?
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:36:44 PM »
Well basically, as Verb said, if you can past the tests then you should be allowed to do the job.

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The Flood / Re: How do so many people get down with Kendrick Lamar?
« on: October 31, 2018, 07:02:45 PM »
Are you intentionally being obtuse or what.
I'm not intentionally being slow to understand your point, I'm telling you that I don't believe it. You can see why in my post above.

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The Flood / Re: How do so many people get down with Kendrick Lamar?
« on: October 31, 2018, 01:21:31 AM »
See I wouldn't expect you to be able to fully empathize with grief if you haven't experienced it. I don't mean to say that everyone can inherently empathize with every emotion, just that we have the capacity to do so (unless maybe you're a sociopath), and that, as you said, we don't have to have the exact same experience in life to feel the same emotions as someone else.

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The Flood / Re: How do so many people get down with Kendrick Lamar?
« on: October 30, 2018, 11:45:45 PM »
You don't have to live through someone else's exact experience to empathize with them. You may not have been through the same things, but you can certainly have experienced the same emotions and feelings and in turn connect with someone's expression on that level.

Not really. You can only assume you've felt something similar. I prefer not to assume.
One of the most basic forms of empathy is emotional empathy. If someone is expressing an emotion you've experienced then it's not unreasonable to assume you've felt the same or something very similar. There may be a virtually infinite number of emotional triggers that are different for everyone, but the emotions themselves are something that unifies us all.

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The Flood / Re: How do so many people get down with Kendrick Lamar?
« on: October 30, 2018, 07:23:54 PM »
Unless you're listening to screamo you're not always supposed to connect with the message.

you're supposed to "get it." and i don't imagine many people do, so i'm wondering where the infatuation comes from.

You can empathize with people from different walks of life without experiencing their hardships first hand.

No, you can only sympathise with them. There's a difference.

Also, I didn't suggest that his hardships are what disallow me from enjoying his stuff. I'm suggesting that the cultural distance between us is makes it hard to determine what's attractive about his music to so many people, particularly white people, who are even further away from him.
You don't have to live through someone else's exact experience to empathize with them. You may not have been through the same things, but you can certainly have experienced the same emotions and feelings and in turn connect with someone's expression on that level.

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The Flood / Re: post users who are literally insane
« on: October 29, 2018, 11:03:34 PM »
Why would Elegiac try to get with someone who was engaged and lived on the other side of the world?

Seems completely illogical and futile.

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How is it possible to define disgust, which is a feeling, in a way that isn't influenced by personal feelings?

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how do you refresh in your sleep

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The Flood / Re: how do i undo going to college
« on: October 18, 2018, 10:11:10 PM »
Too much debt? Worthless degree? Both?

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The Flood / Re: post users who are literally insane
« on: October 14, 2018, 03:04:34 PM »
1.3k subs on YT so probs about to start monetizing my channel soon
I thought you had to have 10k.

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 14, 2018, 12:02:07 AM »
What are you talking about? What would I even need to disguise? And I never claimed that either party was more or less civilized than the other. It's fine if you don't care how I feel about Trump supporters because I haven't been trying to defend them or change your opinion of them. I specifically said that it would be a futile effort to attempt that, so I wouldn't bother with it.

I said why I thought advocating for incivility was a bad idea in both a practical and principled sense. That's all I was ever trying to say in this thread, there's nothing more to it. I think it's a bad idea for the left to embrace it, I think it's a bad idea for the right to embrace it, I think it's bad that Trump is embracing it, and I wish more politicians would try to maintain values like civility that sustain our society. Agree or disagree. It's whatever at this point.

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 13, 2018, 07:10:25 PM »
They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.
Alright, whatever man, Trump voters are a radical moronic cult of bigots. I still think it's a terrible idea for a party to be insulting to the voters.
What exactly do you think trump voters are? Did your mom vote for him or some shit?

Whoever it is you feel the need to defend, they’re ignorant and misinformed. I’m not saying this makes them bad people, or deserving of insults. I never said I agree with any politicians insulting anybody or Hillary’s “deplorable” comment. But you need to realize people that voted for trump are not really people that are going to vote democrat, nor are they that large of a group. People that voted for Obama expecting radical change were imbecilic then and they still are now for thinking trump would deliver on that because he’s an “outsider” when he’s another rich kid in bed with everyone.
Trump voters can defend themselves. The only thing I was defending in this thread was the value of civility.

And what are you talking about "the people that voted for trump aren't that large of a group?" Nearly half of the country voted for him. Are you trying to say that the swing voters that voted for Trump aren't that large of a group? I don't know how big exactly that group is but I'm willing to bet it's at least in the millions considering the percentage of voters that are swing voters. Maybe that isn't all that significant to you but you also have to consider the potential voters that abstained or the independent/third party voters that may be turned away from any side that starts doing away with civility.

It's just not good for democrats to be attacking the voting base, and we shouldn't be tossing out values like civility just to beat the other side, especially if it's likely going to make things worse for your side. Acting with incivility is just going to further radicalize our society and drive a wedge deeper between it. It's not a good thing, at all.

That's what I'm saying here, and it seems like you at least understand that point, though you may not entirely agree; I'm not sure. I didn't post in this thread to tell anyone that their idea of who Trump voters are is wrong. If I actually wanted to defend them then I would've said a lot more than just, "I don't see them the same way as you."

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 13, 2018, 05:12:32 PM »
They don’t exist in a large enough quantity to give a fuck about. These aren’t the people that got trump in office, and they’re not the ones who are gonna get him out of there either. It’s his loyal and devoted cult following.

There is nothing moderate about you if you voted for trump. You may not necessarily be radical in your views, but you are highly ignorant, misinformed, and prone to bigoted views as that’s what trump is all about.
Alright, whatever man, Trump voters are a radical moronic cult of bigots. I still think it's a terrible idea for a party to be insulting to the voters.

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 13, 2018, 03:27:41 PM »
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.
You should know what a moderate is when you’re saying a large amount of them voted for a guy who is extremely partisan and trash talks all his opposition. You’re only pointing it the flaws in your argument by continuing this notion that level headed intelligent people voted for trump. This isn’t to say people that voted for Hillary are inherently more intelligent, but there is obviously a clear cut difference here and you’re pretending it doesn’t exist.
The way I'm trying to describe certain people that voted for Trump is that they have the capacity to vote the other way. I'm not going to act like I know what kind of people that everyone who voted for Trump are. There's no way I could ever know that. I also never stated that there's no difference between the two sides, I don't know where you're getting that from.

There are people who were and are torn between both sides of the political spectrum. I used the term moderate to describe them. Perhaps someone with that position who sided with Trump isn't moderate. Maybe they were before but the current state of things shifted them to a more partisan stance. It's just not the point of my argument, at all. What you want to label the swing voters that voted for Trump doesn't really have any bearing on fact that they exist. That is what I'm saying and have been this entire time.

I don't understand why you keep focusing on what I think a moderate actually is. No I don't feel like everyone that voted for Trump is a complete moron, I just think a lot people felt like they were driven to do something drastic, and I'm sure a lot of people have regrets over it now. I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise, here. It's futile to even attempt that, especially with you and others who have such a negative opinion of Trump voters. It just doesn't matter, swing voters are still a thing, period. Call them what you want. Believe they are idiots, or don't. They still exist.

I won't even call them moderates anymore if you'll get over this weird issue you have with what I've been saying.

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 13, 2018, 12:46:38 PM »
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.
”It doesn’t really matter that I’m wrong, I still think I’m right”
My whole point was that there are people who will vote either way and the left shouldn't be insulting to them. I wasn't trying to argue over what is or is not a moderate. I was only using it as a descriptor for people torn between the two parties.

I don't understand why you want me to admit I was wrong about what a moderate is so much, when I never even implied my idea of what a moderate is was the only right one. I don't even have a very specific idea of what constitutes being politically moderate. It was just a general term I used for people who aren't strictly partisan. Flee's idea is almost certainly way more thought out and refined than mine, and I'm not gonna act like I know enough to tell him he's wrong, especially because I was never trying to argue over what a moderate actually is.

My whole argument in the second half of this thread was never once, "I know what moderates actually are." It was always, "these types of people exist, regardless of how we want to label them, and we shouldn't attack them as voters "

I don't know how much more clear I can be than that. If you still want to attribute some sort of attitude to me that I don't actually have then I don't know what else to say.

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The Flood / Re: Do some people really not have an "inner voice?"
« on: October 13, 2018, 11:48:19 AM »
I'm sure most of you have seen the NPC meme that's gained prominence lately, which is basically just the idea of a philosophical zombie that has been around for a long time, and it's mainly just used as a way to poke fun at people with ideas or interests someone doesn't like.

Something I've heard when people have discussed it, however, is the idea of an "inner voice," which is basically just a person's tendency to speak to themselves within their own mind when thinking. Apparently some people claim that they don't do this and it just sounds really strange to me.

Maybe it's because I'm an introverted person, but I'm constantly "talking" to myself in my head when I think about something. Do people really just not use at least some form of language in their mind to define concepts when they are contemplating something? I suppose it's entirely possible.
If I'm thinking about something regarding language like a movie quote, a book, preparing something I am about to say or write (like now) then I would say I have an inner voice.

Typically, though, my thoughts are more like flashes of visual memory + emotions + some other random sense. When I think, it's more like some kind of simulation in my head. For instance: the apartment above me recently leaked a shit ton of water down into one of my walls and it is growing mold; it will need to be replaced.

When I think about this, I don't think the words "water damage" or "mold", I imagine in my head the stains on the wall and the green bits of slime, where they are in my apartment, and get a feeling of dread as I imagine the stack of papers in my closet that has my insurance information on it. I can see myself on the phone, pacing around my apartment talking to someone about it and then I switch to a vision of repair guys moving around my washer / dryer so they can get at the warped wall.

Through all that, I may hear English words for things I don't have a solid mental image of like "insurance", but it's a very minor part of it.

On the regular, though, I don't tend to think in a language and I don't usually hear a mental "voice". Again, not saying I don't have one at all; I just only really hear it when I'm remembering something spoken or read or when I'm actively trying to prepare or think in English.

Dunno if that makes sense or is much different from the norm.
Yeah I understand that. Thinking in shapes, colors, emotions etc. is something I do all the time, especially when I'm practicing art or trying to come up with new ideas for it. My thoughts are definitely not just an endless string of words.

However, it seemed like some people were claiming that they just don't speak to themselves inside their mind at all, and that's what sounds really strange to me. How does a person write or read without doing so? How do they contemplate abstract ideas that are almost entirely defined through language?

These questions made me think that, as Verb said, some people just didn't quite understand what it meant to have and "inner voice" and actually do think with language. But I also considered the idea of someone who was never taught any language, and I wonder what their capacity to contemplate certain ideas is like.

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Serious / Re: Where the hell was this version of Hillary Clinton before?
« on: October 13, 2018, 11:06:58 AM »
I don't want to get into big discussion over what moderates actually are. The crux of my argument was based on swing voters which a lot of moderates are. It doesn't really matter what constitutes a moderate, there are still people who will vote either way and you don't convince those people by acting uncivil towards them.

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The Flood / Re: what is the worst thing you've done in the past 168 hours
« on: October 12, 2018, 04:27:36 PM »
Waste time.

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