Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 05:27:20 PM

Quote from: gatsby on October 02, 2015, 05:26:08 PM

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 05:23:46 PM

Quote from: gatsby on October 02, 2015, 05:21:53 PM

YouTube

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oh, fuck blink 182, fuck em to hell

can't stand their music and i never will

what the fuck faggot
I found out about them from you

you did? i've staunchly been anti-blink 182 for as long as i can remember

yeah back on bnet

i was probably talking shit about them back then too lol

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 04:57:55 PM

Quote from: Cindo on October 02, 2015, 04:56:56 PM

what's your favorite psychedelic experience? if you don't mind me asking, of course

Meaning like which substance or which scenario or both?

both would be great

YouTube

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oh, fuck blink 182, fuck em to hell

can't stand their music and i never will

god, the chorus of this song gets me so spiteful of my ex it's delicious, and exactly what i need while i prepare for a night of debauchery and 'mingling'

help me out, mateys

and yeah yeah, i posted a Trio song, fuck you

http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=46987.msg925528#msg925528
there you go m8

Who gives a shit? It's none of your business.

14-15 y/o kids really shouldn't be getting drunk in the first place, especially in school of all places

pineapple is fucking awesome

it makes your cum taste good, too

I'm bringing this post to the forefront.

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Quote from: Cindo on October 02, 2015, 01:37:27 AM

Drugs - yes, even "hard" ones - are pretty much all fine in moderation. Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others, though I personally wouldn't be shooting up krokodil every sunday evening or snorting five lines of cocaine before my breakfast.

You're contradicting yourself. Under your logic, there's no logical reason for you not to snort cocaine, in "moderation". That's an irrational aversion, according to your logic.

I really loathe the moderation argument because you're forgetting an important part of it--it's not just "everything in moderation"--it's everything in moderation, including moderation. That means there really are some things that you should never try. And I would argue that drugs are one of those things.

Constant sobriety should be among your top priorities in life.

You have to explain why occasional drug use is okay, or... I'll never understand why it's okay. You can act like I'm never gonna listen, because you can't just let the old me die, but I'm listening.

So, tell me, why is it that being straight-edge is so much worse than doing your precious drugs?
Why is sobriety not good enough for you?

if anybody actually believes that they're somehow superior to someone else because they have experience with drugs, then they're missing the point entirely. like winy said, altering your consciousness via drugs is an experience that, while there are risks associated with it, brings tangible, positive outcomes that sometimes could not be possible through a sober approach. one example of this is alleviating depression and increasing one's overall well-being through a psyilocybin trip. there is empirical evidence of people being treated this way, and there is countless anecdotal evidence from people who can report positive changes in the way they view life after a trip (me being one of them, i could easily go into more detail if requested).

in my opinion, i think people who live a life of sobriety are simply missing out on some of the wonders that life has to offer, but i don't think any less of them as a person.

I'm not trying to take away your right to do what you like to do. I'm just trying to explain to you why what you're doing is stupid, and I'm asking you why it isn't stupid. Just because you aren't dead or hospitalized the next morning after a night of doing drugs doesn't make taking that risk okay.

however, i believe that if you can safely consume a drug and have your life return to normal once the drug's effects have faded, it is worth the risk. just like how it is worth the risk to go skydiving, ride a rollercoaster, or any similar thrill-seeking activity. there are risks with every decision you make, and if someone can rationally lay out the positives and negatives, and find more weight in the positives, then they have made an informed decision and are being responsible. that's where moderation comes into play.

"Muh opinion is fact, yours is wrong and stupid."


Not exactly a convincing argument.

there's a lot more of that around here, so i'd get used to it if i were you :/

I don't believe life can be lived to a decent degree of thrill, excitement, and happiness without dabbling in some questionable or risky activities here and there. Of course, that isn't to say I condone usage of hard drugs like coke, heroine, or any of that shit, but smoking weed, drinking, or taking a shroom every now and then isn't going to do anything particularly harmful (There seems to be a surprisingly large number of people in this thread misinformed about the neurological consequences of psilocybin- There really aren't any). I don't consider any one of these activities particularly stupid in their own right, it's generally a matter of the company and environment that they're combined with.

Risk something no activity is truly free of. There are always chances of horrendous consequences in any sort of action you decide to take. The important aspect of living freely and with a bit of room for "Experiencing" what the world has to offer is accounting for the variables that could lead to a bad outcome, and making a judgement. Regarding weed... I can't think of many things that could go wrong in my case. I smoke maybe once every two or three weeks, and it's always in the company of other people, generally in a secluded dorm room with no greater chance of injury than if we weren't high to begin with.

Partaking in these sorts of things is always paired with the chance of a nasty consequence, but that chance is very minimal. The situational capacity for a wrong turn is the same if I go on a roller coaster, go skydiving, or even take a trip down the road to buy a salad. But through self-limitation, responsible company, and infrequency, there's really nothing to be afraid of. I understand Verb's very cut-and-dry argument of "It's stupid, you shouldn't do it," but thinking that philosophy through, it's applicable to practically anything. I don't want to live my life in a box made of industrial steel.

great post, man. it hammers down my points well.

i look in the mirror and tell myself that i'm sexy as fuck

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 10:05:28 AM

like i've already stated, there are drugs that i believe should not even be tried once...it's possible to practice moderation with the drugs that aren't going to permanently fuck you up.

but

MODERATION

don't allow cocaine to fuck you up
don't allow ecstasy to fuck you up
don't allow PCP to fuck you up
don't allow heroin to fuck you up

don't you know that "it only takes one" is a MYTH?

alright, allow me to explain to you why that mindset is wrong.

while it may be true for some people that only doing one of the drugs you listed once is okay, there are plenty of others who have fucked themselves by just doing them once. wanna know why? because those substances trigger a reaction in the body that makes you crave more. cocaine and heroin are both extremely addictive drugs that get people hooked even from their first time, ecstasy messes with your natural serotonin levels and produces feelings of intense depression once the effects of the drug have worn off, which leads people to take more of it, and PCP is just plain retarded imo, but it's known to cause cravings.

on the other hand, cannabis, psyilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and other similar drugs aren't explicitly addictive and, in regards to shrooms and LSD, practicing moderation is completely safe. it is absolutely possible to practice moderation with harder drugs that are proven to not fuck up your life, it shouldn't be a blanket term that covers every single drug.

while you can come back and say that people can crave the latter substances too, it's simply not the same thing. there are absolutely no side effects from ignoring those cravings, unlike the drugs listed earlier whose withdrawal symptoms hospitalize people everyday.

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 09:52:07 AM

Quote from: Prime Uta on October 02, 2015, 09:46:24 AM

Ecstasy will turn you into a retard tbh

Just saying

i never understood the appeal of ecstasy...that stuff messes with your serotonin levels so much that it leaves you feeling depressed for a good amount of time and causes permanent damage when taken successively.

Fuck that shit, yo

b-b-b-but

muh moderation

like i've already stated, there are drugs that i believe should not even be tried once...it's possible to practice moderation with the drugs that aren't going to permanently fuck you up.

verby i'm going to properly respond to that post once i'm not on my phone

but what i can add now is that i really don't believe in the everything in moderation mantra, because there are some substances that i believe should not be tried even once, i.e. Krokodil, heroin, most dissociatives, and a few others

wait is that post directed towards me

i thought you cared?